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Old Apr 14, 2012, 02:10 PM   #2671
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Not everyone has side exhaust and mostly looking at chassis design one exhaust vent is all there is and sometimes it's even a huge 25cm diameter fan like those found on Thermaltake cases. Even then we would need an adapter to drop it down to 120mm from the looks of the rad to attach it, then you need to take in to consideration is there enough clearance between the side panel, rad and video card? In most instances I doubt it especially in a push pull scenario.

Again, great concept but not realistic. I can see this being great for a small Lanbox but not for the gamer such as ourselves.
IDK, mounting those antec coolers (astek) on video cards seem pretty popular on OCN. It works friggin amazing. I got rid of my FT-02 mostly because it made aftermarket cooling and mods a pita. The FT-02 and RV-02 that you own are good for stock blower coolers and thats it. There are other cases like the HAF series or the NZXT swtich or Corsair's cases that will accommodate those coolers and many other configurations with ease. I've passed on several video cards like the Asus direct cu-2 and coolers since they wouldn't fit in my FT-02. The case has drawbacks.

Also, as long as you have good airflow I don't find coolers that don't exhaust to be a big deal. I wouldn't hesitate to have the air from the rads blowing into my case.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 02:10 PM   #2672
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Lol well I am now at my GF's, stopped in to the local shop, no 680's anywhere they are only getting in 1 or 2 at a time which sucks and they don't expect that to increase till late May early June... They have an HIS Radeon 7970 on for $519.99 an XFX on for $529.99. Went and had lunch and contemplated what I should do, went over bill payments, groceries, nice trip planned to Sandiego in early June that I am saving for.... I can afford it but then never went back.

Still gpuless in the tower and stuck on the 560m.....
The ncix ones all sold out for $479? Tigerdirect had visiontek ones for $509 also(i picked up one of those) to bad i didnt wait and would have saved a few more bucks. I would go for one of those unless u want to wait and be gpuless until 680s get into stock. Same deal in ontario too, virtually nonexistant stock.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 02:16 PM   #2673
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The ncix ones all sold out for $479? Tigerdirect had visiontek ones for $509 also(i picked up one of those) to bad i didnt wait and would have saved a few more bucks. I would go for one of those unless u want to wait and be gpuless until 680s get into stock. Same deal in ontario too, virtually nonexistant stock.
I would prefer to not purchase from NCIX, bad experiences with them. I would like to purchase in town so I can use it immediately. I am a little worried, I haven't had the system on in about 2 months, hasn't even been plugged in, worried the h70 will leak...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 04:40 PM   #2674
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 04:43 PM   #2675
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I have 12 cores in total remember...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 04:45 PM   #2676
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I just numbered those not doing anything while gaming....
It would probably be even more than that most of the time.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 04:59 PM   #2677
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It would probably be even more than that most of the time.

I'm so far ahead of the curve that it needs it's own zip code, at least for gaming...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:02 PM   #2678
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I'm so far ahead of the curve that it needs it's own zip code, at least for gaming...
Not really, my 2500k is faster in most games.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:07 PM   #2679
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Not really, my 2500k is faster in most games.

I meant in terms of hardware not being used...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:09 PM   #2680
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:12 PM   #2681
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by the time they have games using this many cores my iphone is going to be faster then your rig
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:23 PM   #2682
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by the time they have games using this many cores my iphone is going to be faster then your rig

Heh...I'm planning a 20 core/40 thread setup by the end of this year or early next for professional applications depending on when ivy bridge EP is released.....Gaming performance is lagging behind on actually using the hardware, and i simply refuse to wait for developers and/or publishers to get their thumbs out of their collective asses...


The one good thing about it, is that i'm good for years with the 4 HD7970's at the slow ass pace games are developed to even really begin leveraging all those resources.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:30 PM   #2683
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Heh...I'm planning a 20 core/40 thread setup by the end of this year or early next for professional applications depending on when ivy bridge EP is released.....Gaming performance is lagging behind on actually using the hardware, and i simply refuse to wait for developers and/or publishers to get their thumbs out of their collective asses...
What about all of that future proofing that you've been raving about?

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The one good thing about it, is that i'm good for years with the 4 HD7970's at the slow ass pace games are developed to even really begin leveraging all those resources.
With three 2560x1440 displays? or better yet upcoming 4k displays? What about with AA or other IQ enhancements?

I tell you right now that my GTX680 is not enough for a single 1440p display. I would be surprised to find out that four 7970s is enough for three of the very same resolution displays.
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:41 PM   #2684
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What about all of that future proofing that you've been raving about?



With three 2560x1440 displays? or better yet upcoming 4k displays? What about with AA or other IQ enhancements?

I tell you right now that my GTX680 is not enough for a single 1440p display. I would be surprised to find out that four 7970s is enough for three of the very same resolution displays.

If it was exclusively gaming, i am future proof for years but it isn't just gaming and the other applications are meant for work wich are meant as a living from wich i make money, so it's a little bit more important than playing games.


Upcoming 4k displays will be made by samsung using a new process and come straight from japan, and given the novelty factor and the exchange rate with japan, cheap they won't be anytime soon....Basically don't count on them being mass produced in some chinese sweat shop so they'll be affordable to buy anytime soon...


As for current games with the HD7970 setup, i keep in mind that the drivers for these cards, and the GTX680's for that matter, are very raw and will need months( if not more) to get all the kinks worked out and see their full speed, and in any case it's still a partial picture of their true capabilities since in all cases, they're benchmarked in games that were released to retail before the cards were out for developers to play with them and see what their can really do.


Once software is specifically written to really take advantage of either one to their fullest potential is when we see what they can truly do, but by then there will be even faster video cards anyhow...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 05:44 PM   #2685
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Heh...I'm planning a 20 core/40 thread setup by the end of this year or early next for professional applications depending on when ivy bridge EP is released.....Gaming performance is lagging behind on actually using the hardware, and i simply refuse to wait for developers and/or publishers to get their thumbs out of their collective asses...


The one good thing about it, is that i'm good for years with the 4 HD7970's at the slow ass pace games are developed to even really begin leveraging all those resources.
Your buying hardware that you have no use for, other than for the sake of buying it it's really that simple. Cores you will never have use for and soon more cores you wont have use for. A 4th card which contribution to your fps is around 10 or less for the most part. Your epeen impresses only yourself too bad you don't realize that. This concept of future proofing when you plan on upgrading on a fairly quick schedule makes 0 sense. Unless your going to keep your cpu setup for the next 6+ years (which you wont) you aren't future proofing anything. It's not how many legs you have it's how many are used and how fast they are. Your setup while impressive on paper for real world application of your use is like having an even bigger AMD bulldozer.
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Your buying hardware that you have no use for, other than for the sake of buying it it's really that simple. Cores you will never have use for and soon more cores you wont have use for. A 4th card which contribution to your fps is around 10 or less for the most part. Your epeen impresses only yourself too bad you don't realize that. This concept of future proofing when you plan on upgrading on a fairly quick schedule makes 0 sense. Unless your going to keep your cpu setup for the next 6+ years (which you wont) you aren't future proofing anything. It's not how many legs you have it's how many are used and how fast they are. Your setup while impressive on paper for real world application of your use is like having an even bigger AMD bulldozer.

I use my current setup on professional applications that already leverage all 12 cores, and only go for upgrades when there's at least a 50%+ increase in CPU performance for those applications, as those pay the bills ....Gaming is hopelessly behind, well it's their own fault as they seem to have forgotten that killer software sells hardware mantra.


So don't come and tell me what i will or won't do with my system or how it performs...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 06:10 PM   #2687
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Just imagine your wrath if accidentaly AMD releases a performance driver that makes it faster than 680...
will certainly not happen
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 07:47 PM   #2688
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Stock I suppose so but OCed to 680 numbers I have the feeling it should have better results than it has now. Maybe nV totaly outsmarted AMD with this architecture though, who knows, the quote was mainly trying to annoy KickAssCop a bit more anyway.
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Also, as long as you have good airflow I don't find coolers that don't exhaust to be a big deal. I wouldn't hesitate to have the air from the rads blowing into my case.
I agree, have no problems with a HAF 922 and OCed Fermi, those cases push enough air and have proper air circulation speed (at least those with 20cm+ fans) for aftermarket gpu coolers.
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A lot of people say "Garth Merenghi? Doesn't he write that horror crap?" Well, you're an idiot, because my books always say something, even if it's simple like "Don't geneticaly engineer crabs to be as big as man". There's always a message or a theme.

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Good review of the EVGA GTX680 SC+ (sorry if its been posted before)

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**** Kepler and the horse it rode in on... I just purchased a 7970 again considering it is only 480 usd now and available. My word, what a miracle...
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**** Kepler and the horse it rode in on... I just purchased a 7970 again considering it is only 480 usd now and available. My word, what a miracle...
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Yeah man, got pissed off at no availability and was being told don't think about it for next 2 weeks once again. I am going to go to the market tomorrow. If I find a 680 for cheaper than 545 USD, I will buy. Otherwise 680 can choke on my nuts. It is selling for about 605 used. I paid 535 for a brand new 7970 including import duties (which I will probably get a refund on). So all in all my price would be 500 USD after shipping all the way from US of A!
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**** Kepler and the horse it rode in on... I just purchased a 7970 again considering it is only 480 usd now and available. My word, what a miracle...
Well it seems like you got a deal $$ thats great... I was waiting for Kepler for that precise reason to once again see competitive pricing.

Anyways I am on the fence I am definetly thinking of getting either a Radeon HD 7970 .... or a Kepler based GTX 680 depending on the price, package and deals but I will wait just a tiny painful minute (months) more, I already got a new AMD cpu and mobo so I am getting all kinds of excited for the 2012 tech...

WHo knows maybe AMD will revive the Pro or XT and Nvidia the Ultra... but more than likely by the time the dual gpu cards prolly...
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Well it seems like you got a deal $$ thats great... I was waiting for Kepler for that precise reason to once again see competitive pricing.

Anyways I am on the fence I am definetly thinking of getting either a Radeon HD 7970 .... or a Kepler based GTX 680 depending on the price, package and deals but I will wait just a tiny painful minute (months) more, I already got a new AMD cpu and mobo so I am getting all kinds of excited for the 2012 tech...

WHo knows maybe AMD will revive the Pro or XT and Nvidia the Ultra... but more than likely by the time the dual gpu cards prolly...
Go to Amazon.com. Type in Diamond 7970. Purchase for 480 USD. Apply for a 20 rebate. End price about 460 USD. Enjoy!
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Yeah man, got pissed off at no availability and was being told don't think about it for next 2 weeks once again. I am going to go to the market tomorrow. If I find a 680 for cheaper than 545 USD, I will buy. Otherwise 680 can choke on my nuts. It is selling for about 605 used. I paid 535 for a brand new 7970 including import duties (which I will probably get a refund on). So all in all my price would be 500 USD after shipping all the way from US of A!
Should have just stuck with your 7970 in the first place. It looks to be faster than a 680 clock for clock anyways.
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No its not. Clock for clock has never been directly comparable between different video card archs anyway. You need to give the 7970 a 15% oc to match stock clocks of 680, and its still slower.

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No its not. Clock for clock has never been directly comparable between different video card archs anyway. You need to give the 7970 a 15% oc to match stock clocks of 680, and its still slower.

and lol @ KAC
So then why did it trade blows with a 1070mhz clock at higher resolutions?
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Where did it trade blows in that review? It had a 15% oc and was still slower in every test except for AvP.
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Where did it trade blows in that review? It had a 15% oc and was still slower in every test except for AvP.
This review.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...gb-review.html

The 680 won 24 game tests, while the 7970 won 29 game tests. The 7970 was even clocked lower than the 680. :|
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