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Elysian · Oct 1, 2004, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

The point of metal is not to make money. The point of metal is to make music. All these bands people have been talking about are not in the true spirit of metal. Metal is something extreme; it's not suposed to appeal to the masses. You kids today listen to weak pseudo-metal that is based soley on image and not music. For those interested in real metal, I suggest you check out the following bands: Atheist, Darkthrone, Demilich, Incantation, Gorguts, and Massacra.

Free Demilich for those interested: http://demilich.doesntexist.com/

Chuck Schuldiner of Death was quoted for saying he never really made money until he released Symbolic... then he started making some money, but not a ton...

Hybelkanin · Oct 1, 2004, 05:47 PM

Great to see so many metalheads here

I'll use this opportunity to recommend a truly awsome band, The Chasm !
They play classically inspired death metal. It's really atmospheric, an intriguing mix of chaotic riffs and beautiful melodies. Great vocals, lyrics and concept, though some would say lousy production.

As for albums, I recommend them all, but Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph is IMO the pinnacle of their musicianship.

They have some samples at their website if interested - www.enterthedeathcult.com
However, I highly advise listening the whole album through. It needs context.

ScretHate mentioned a few good bands too. Primarly Gorguts, Atheist, Demlilich

ViCyniC · Oct 1, 2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

The point of metal is not to make money. The point of metal is to make music. All these bands people have been talking about are not in the true spirit of metal. Metal is something extreme; it's not suposed to appeal to the masses. You kids today listen to weak pseudo-metal that is based soley on image and not music. For those interested in real metal, I suggest you check out the following bands: Atheist, Darkthrone, Demilich, Incantation, Gorguts, and Massacra.

Free Demilich for those interested: http://demilich.doesntexist.com/

Your statement is a bit closeminded. The bands I listen to might make money out of their artistry, but they are by no means "pseudo" and stand for their "image". Bands like Opeth, Death, Dream Theater, Dark Tranqulity, Tool, ect are not making music solely for money. As for their image....they're all considered fairly underground, with the exception of Tool. But why would that matter if the music is good, anyway? I don't like bands for any reason other than their music. To be concerned if a band is making money or is popular is missing the point of why music should be heard in the first place.

Obscurity is not a criteria for good music.

gts007 · Oct 1, 2004, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Miester_V

Obscurity is not a criteria for good music.

Amen brotha. And mainstream commercialization is obviously not a criteria for good music either. Lots of gray areas.
My sister's band Pink Martini is pretty popular in Europe but over here no one knows who the **** they are (with the exception of Portland Oregon). She's touring and making SERIOUS bank on just 5% publishing royalties in a band with no commercial exposure.

**NYHecK** · Oct 1, 2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by I.S.T.

1. Rush is the worst ****ing band of all ****ing time.

They have a pretty good drummer. that's all i know about them. lol

I have a video of him doing some crazy 4 minute solo at one of their live concerts.

I.S.T. · Oct 1, 2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NYHecK

They have a pretty good drummer. that's all i know about them. lol

I have a video of him doing some crazy 4 minute solo at one of their live concerts.

Well..... I was thinking of editing my post to reflect that he's good, but forgot, lol. I'll go do that now.

ViCyniC · Oct 1, 2004, 09:38 PM

^ Neil Pert rocks! \m/

I don't know much about Rush myself, other than him. His solos are excellent.

AluminumHaste · Oct 1, 2004, 10:06 PM

OMG, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the drummer from GodSmack. I hated their music but don't mind it now. I love straight out of line.

Wow, that heavy metal music is killer!!!

Not really my taste though.

SoundGarden and lately AudioSlave.
Definately Nirvana.

I.S.T. · Oct 1, 2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ScreamingBeef

OMG, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the drummer from GodSmack. I hated their music but don't mind it now. I love straight out of line.

Wow, that heavy metal music is killer!!!

Not really my taste though.

SoundGarden and lately AudioSlave.
Definately Nirvana.

They switch drummers last year, IIRC.

AlienZombie · Oct 1, 2004, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gts007

and for those of you interested in real seafood, I suggest jellyfish and blue-ringed octopus.

Octopus sushi = win

gts007 · Oct 2, 2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienZombie

Octopus sushi = win

Australian blue-ringed octopus = hospital

Jasef · Oct 2, 2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

The point of metal is not to make money. The point of metal is to make music. All these bands people have been talking about are not in the true spirit of metal. Metal is something extreme; it's not suposed to appeal to the masses. You kids today listen to weak pseudo-metal that is based soley on image and not music. For those interested in real metal, I suggest you check out the following bands: Atheist, Darkthrone, Demilich, Incantation, Gorguts, and Massacra.

Free Demilich for those interested: http://demilich.doesntexist.com/

I wouldnt say "It's not supposed to" appeal to the masses, it just happens that it doesnt.
And being extreme just for the sake of being it doesnt really help much if the music sucks, which I dont say that you meant, just pointing it out so some people wont get the wrong impression

ScretHate · Oct 2, 2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Miester_V

Your statement is a bit closeminded. The bands I listen to might make money out of their artistry, but they are by no means "pseudo" and stand for their "image". Bands like Opeth, Death, Dream Theater, Dark Tranqulity, Tool, ect are not making music solely for money. As for their image....they're all considered fairly underground, with the exception of Tool. But why would that matter if the music is good, anyway? I don't like bands for any reason other than their music. To be concerned if a band is making money or is popular is missing the point of why music should be heard in the first place.

Obscurity is not a criteria for good music.

The music, however, is not good. Though the members of Opeth may possess technical musicality, Opeth is the most structurally incoherent music I've ever heard. I suggest you download a few Demilich Mp3s off that site and tell me what you think of them.

ScretHate · Oct 2, 2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gts007

and for those of you interested in real seafood, I suggest jellyfish and blue-ringed octopus.

Please expound upon why you think those bands are musically detestable.

logen1869F · Oct 2, 2004, 10:55 AM

heavy metal to me is about energy and the rush you get when playing some deep throaty riff along with the beat of the drummer while screaming your lungs out, i usually play in drop C when doing something a little more heavy. its pretty fun, i don’t get that when playing something like Neil Young’s sugar mountain.

Hybelkanin · Oct 2, 2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

The music, however, is not good. Though the members of Opeth may possess technical musicality, Opeth is the most structurally incoherent music I've ever heard.

Well, not everyone looks for the same things in music.

I kind of agree with that last part though, even though I do like some of their work.

ViCyniC · Oct 2, 2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

The music, however, is not good. Though the members of Opeth may possess technical musicality, Opeth is the most structurally incoherent music I've ever heard. I suggest you download a few Demilich Mp3s off that site and tell me what you think of them.

Well, that is your opinion of Opeth, and even though I partially agree about incoherencies in their music, it pales against the epic and timeless qualities that are contained in their melodies.

As for Demilich that you seem to promote, they're pretty good, but they don't seem to excel at any particular point...whether it's technicality, melody, complexity, or sound reproduction. They're pretty averge all around to me. This is concerning their official album. Oh, and it seems that they also care about making money, but since their label won't give them with any, they're "boycotting". Those money whores, Demilich.

ScretHate · Oct 2, 2004, 02:16 PM

Demilich is different from Opeth in that Demilich logically moves from one riff to the next. They break down initial melodies and then reconstruct them. Their songs are a cycle of life, death, and rebirth. They also excel in harmonizing riffs between two guitars, similar to that of classical music. They wrap all this up with tight rhythmic anticipation which allows fluid transitions between ideas. Without organization music cannot develope a central theme, and ends up sounding like a garble of random riffs, like Opeth. You can write lines and lines of random pretty words, but don't call it poetry.

Elysian · Oct 2, 2004, 05:48 PM

i wouldn't say Opeth is incoherent. at least not on Damnation. that album flows so perfectly, its quite an amazing album, even tho it isn't really a metal album.

Jasef · Oct 2, 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysian

i wouldn't say Opeth is incoherent. at least not on Damnation. that album flows so perfectly, its quite an amazing album, even tho it isn't really a metal album.

Eh, hes banned now anyway

gts007 · Oct 2, 2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ScretHate

Please expound upon why you think those bands are musically detestable.

just my opinion. one guy offered his opinion of how he thinks metal 'should' be, i mocked him by offering my opinion on what those bands really are. and yes, i have listened to them.

ViCyniC · Oct 2, 2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasef

Eh, hes banned now anyway

Why was he banned?

Elysian · Oct 3, 2004, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Miester_V

Why was he banned?

iunno?

I.S.T. · Oct 3, 2004, 06:28 PM

Bumpage.....

Seriously thpugh, IIRC he trolled a ****load around 6 months to a year ago. That might be why.

Elysian · Oct 3, 2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by I.S.T.

Bumpage.....

Seriously thpugh, IIRC he trolled a ****load around 6 months to a year ago. That might be why.

who? i must be missing something here...

Jasef · Oct 3, 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Miester_V

Why was he banned?

He said baaaad bad things about Opeth

Or because of this:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...9&postcount=24
And some earlier things that Veng had put a usernote on him for

I.S.T. · Oct 3, 2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysian

who? i must be missing something here...

ScretHate. He is the guy that was banned.

Elysian · Oct 3, 2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by I.S.T.

ScretHate. He is the guy that was banned.

oic... well serves him right, he did say bad things about opeth hahaha

hobs0n · Oct 3, 2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasef

He said baaaad bad things about Opeth

Or because of this:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...9&postcount=24
And some earlier things that Veng had put a usernote on him for

Hehe, that was kind of funny.. but not if you were in the guy he talked about I guess

It was way out of line tho.

So.. Opeth, another great band one should listen to?

Hybelkanin · Oct 4, 2004, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hobs0n

So.. Opeth, another great band one should listen to?

Ohh, dangerous question. My fingers are tingling with wanting to mention 300 of the "the best" metal bands. How about being more spesific about what you like?

There really aren't many bands similar to Opeth. Pherhaps you'll like Agalloch. Excellent band. Check out Pale Folklore and The Mantle.

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Oct 1, 2004, 10:06 PM	#98
AluminumHaste Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Home Posts: 6,175	OMG, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the drummer from GodSmack. I hated their music but don't mind it now. I love straight out of line. Wow, that heavy metal music is killer!!! Not really my taste though. SoundGarden and lately AudioSlave. Definately Nirvana. __________________ Because everyone knows that action oriented independant women all munch more carpet than a malfunctioning vacuum cleaner (\_/) (O.o) (> <)

Oct 1, 2004, 05:47 PM	#92
Hybelkanin tsujigiri Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 1,048	Great to see so many metalheads here I'll use this opportunity to recommend a truly awsome band, The Chasm ! They play classically inspired death metal. It's really atmospheric, an intriguing mix of chaotic riffs and beautiful melodies. Great vocals, lyrics and concept, though some would say lousy production. As for albums, I recommend them all, but Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph is IMO the pinnacle of their musicianship. They have some samples at their website if interested - www.enterthedeathcult.com However, I highly advise listening the whole album through. It needs context. ScretHate mentioned a few good bands too. Primarly Gorguts, Atheist, Demlilich

Oct 1, 2004, 09:38 PM	#97
ViCyniC Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,046	^ Neil Pert rocks! \m/ I don't know much about Rush myself, other than him. His solos are excellent.

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Oct 2, 2004, 10:55 AM	#105
logen1869F Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 5,956	heavy metal to me is about energy and the rush you get when playing some deep throaty riff along with the beat of the drummer while screaming your lungs out, i usually play in drop C when doing something a little more heavy. its pretty fun, i don’t get that when playing something like Neil Young’s sugar mountain.

Oct 2, 2004, 02:16 PM	#108
ScretHate BAN ME Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA, USA, Earth Posts: 49	Demilich is different from Opeth in that Demilich logically moves from one riff to the next. They break down initial melodies and then reconstruct them. Their songs are a cycle of life, death, and rebirth. They also excel in harmonizing riffs between two guitars, similar to that of classical music. They wrap all this up with tight rhythmic anticipation which allows fluid transitions between ideas. Without organization music cannot develope a central theme, and ends up sounding like a garble of random riffs, like Opeth. You can write lines and lines of random pretty words, but don't call it poetry.

Oct 2, 2004, 05:48 PM	#109
Elysian Dog bless America Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 17,482	i wouldn't say Opeth is incoherent. at least not on Damnation. that album flows so perfectly, its quite an amazing album, even tho it isn't really a metal album.

Oct 3, 2004, 06:28 PM	#114
I.S.T. New Grimlock: now 80x80 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas. Guess which city and you won't win a damned thing. Posts: 2,665	Bumpage..... Seriously thpugh, IIRC he trolled a ****load around 6 months to a year ago. That might be why.

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