How does your 7500 perform in MOHAA RTCW?
 

Hi,
I think my system with 7500 is performing rather poorly in those games. I got 30 -35 fps in RTCW Checkpoint timedemo, and getting single digit frame rate in MOHAA, like in Omaha beach and during gun fights although it goes as high as 80 at some point.
I play at 1027 x 768, 32 bit, high or max on everything, all options turned on.

system spec:
AMD Duron 850MHz
ECS K7SEM
7500 retail
AC97 Onboard sound
256MB PC133 SDRAM
20GB 5400RPM
Winxp/98SE dual boot
3276/7189 official driver
AOC 15" 1024x768 max, at 60Hz

May be my system is not good enough to use this card at full capacity
Changing resolution or lowering other setting don't seem to make difference in frame rates. weird........, confusing.......

Any comments?

Max detail, 1024x768x32, 16x filtering...

Roughly 85-95FPS

2xFSAA

40-45FPS

Overclocked as well.

With my 64MB DDR Vivo in RTCW with quality settings at 1024x768 I get about 20-40 fps...

In mohaa singleplayer with details at medium / high I get about 30 fps I'd say, but it does drop in big areas to like 20.. and in multiplayer it's alot better than single :)

On my system RTCW on-line is like Butter. I don't care what you throw at me. I play at 1024x768 32bit everything maxed. No FSAA.

I say, bump-up your processor to at least a gig t-bird.

How do you benchmark MOHAA and RTCW?

Well, you can download RTCW timedemo called Checkpoint at the following link: http://www.3dcenter.de/downloads/rtcw-checkpoint.php

as for MOHAA, i don't know of any timedemo benchmark available.

Wow, you guys are getting good frame rates with 7500 compared to mine!

Is my Duron 850MHz really the bottleneck here?

I hope some of you try RTCW checkpoint timedemo and post your score here.

Anyway, Thanks for replying!

Re: How does your 7500 perform in MOHAA RTCW?
 

I got 38,5fps using same options as you. Used drivers are Omega86, they work best for me. And my rig is below as you see..

your duron is DEFINETLY the limiting factor. get a duron 1.2 or athalon 1.2 or higher. the 7500 is known to scale very signifigantly with processor speed. in rtcw all options on i get 75-99 fps 1028x760 32bit all that stuff. computer in sig

Maybe Duron is the limit but....
 

I get 50 fps in checkpoint demo with my Duron so there is probably something wrong with your system :(. I ran it in high quality settings except 1024*768 resolution, antistrophic filttering was also set to 16X.

Duron 800@860 :D
Ati Radeon 7500 (OC) Drivers: Clean install of 9016
Win 98
SB 64PCI
Abit KT7E (4in1 4.36)

You can reduce some of the details on mohaa and notice virtually no difference in quality but some diffs in speed. try changing effects: low, curve detail: low, shadows: simple, texture colour depth: 16-bit, bilinear filtering, sound: low quality.
these will make it faster but you'll not really notice any quality diffs.

well, nope, my comp. does not respond to any set up changes in the game. Like by going for low resolution and and low setting on every options. timedemo result and fps in actual game play do not change.
I got score of 2756 in 3DMark2001 at 1024X 768, 32 bit. and score of 2788 in 640 x 480, 16bit. weird eh? I've seen it going up to 3700 with same speed Duron CPU in Madonion data base. Haven't figure out what's wrong with it.

well, ok. I overclocked my cpu to 950MHz from 850 within the bios by setting FSB to 112MHz. Neat. I tried 133MHz but the system hanged.
Why didn't I know about it before?

This 100MHz increase in cpu speed gave me 4-5 frames more in RTCW checkpoint demo cuz i hit 40 now.

This is good news for me. It means at least frame rate can improve with CPU speed increase when i upgrade cpu sometime in the future.

This overclocking increase 3DMark2001 score as well. I hit above 2800 and i was getting 2756 before. Nice. This is still low for this my card and cpu though.

Try clean install of anything...Or may be defegrament your HDD~~

can someone please tell me how to run the checkpoint demo? I've downloaded it but don't know where to put it or how to run it. Help pls. Also can someone tell me how to display fsp in half life and CS? thanks.

well, here is an update!

SD-[INC]!, you were right about the onboard sound! well, partially to be exact.
I did some interesting things in quest of getting the most out of my 7500. First, I lowered quality of sound in RTCW in timedemo to 22K then i hit 42. so i gained 2fps there. Then I uninstalled sound driver for my onboard sound so i ran the timedemo with NO SOUND! Guess what? I scored 47fps! not bad.

I tried to run MOHAA omaha beach in sp but it crashed while loading without sound driver. So, i re-installed sound driver and set the sound quality to low, sound was horrible but i didn't get single digit frame rate as before. once on the beach it went down as low as 10 but played around 14 in average. before it went down to 5 and played around 8fps. It doesn't seem that much of an improvement in numbers but the difference is huge to my eyes. It doesn't feel like slide show. it feels much smoother.

But this still doesn't explain low score in 3DMark2001 score which doesn't use sound anyway.

To my knowledge, add-in-sound card does use CPU. I'd rather go for cpu upgrade then getting a sound card. perhaps both. get a cheap sound card maybe. in near future that is. I guess i have to play with low sound quality in MOHAA for now. In the mean time, i'll try latest beta drivers to see what it does. Hmmm... not sure if i will try clean install. and I already defraged hard drive. It feels like my system is hitting a brick wall and won't go up at some point.

Anyway, Thanks for that suggestion SD-[Inc]. you were right on the money! kakaka.

OK, Gromulan, instructions for RTCW checkpoint timedemo is here but it's written in German. but you can get the gist of it. or use free web-based translation service but don't bother.

http://www.3dcenter.de/userbench/rtcw.php

look at the bottom of the page. it will show you where you should put the file. if you don't have one, make one. one named "demos" under your RTCW "main" folder. you have to run this in MULTI-PLAYER game!!!!
since the timedemo uses multi-player map!!!! Then pull down a console once in the game and type

/timedemo 1
/demo checkpoint

once it is finished running, pull down console again by using tilda key "~". it will show you the result in frames per second.

oops, i addressing SD-[Inc] in this thread was a mistake on my part, it was meant to another thread in tech forum. but the info above concerns this thread as well. hehe...

test
 

rtcw timedemo 1 , demo checkpoint.dm_57

testing diff res

1st
54.5 fps 800x600 md
42.9 fps 1024x768 md

2nd
58 fps 800x600 md
67.1 fps 800x600 md ct & sky off
46 fps 1024x768 md
51.2 fps 1024x768 md ct & sky off
39 fps 1152x864 md
42.3 fps 1152x864 md ct & sky off

Default recommended setup
72.5 fps
62.9 fps md default setup

:evil:

md=max detail
ct=compressed textures

amd 1.4 512mb ddr radeon 64mb ddr vivo asusa7m266 7189 offical drivers
latest drivers 4 all:p

that means your video card won't even be stressed until like 1600x1200x32. try to get a newer tbird (1.4?) or athlon xp and possibly ddr ram (that mobo supports it).

Try the 90xx series of drivers!
 

Disable shadows and try the 90xx series of drivers under 98se. (I'm using the 9012's w/the 9016 openGL module) I'm getting about 18fps on Omaha beach on slow spots, 40-50fps normally.

1.12Ghz celery
440BX
320MB
32MB OEM Radeon DDR

3025 3dm2k1 :)

The newer 90xx series of drivers really gave me a nice performance boost!

digitalwanderer,

Did you try the SP demo with your rig? I am using the 9013 with the SP demo at 1024x768 Med/no shadows and have very poor performance. (Often < 10 fps). The MP demo was not as bad. I had hear that the SP demo had poor performance as compared to the retail game. Can you verify this? I really want to play this game but I am considering waiting until I upgrade my computer (few months). I don't want my first run down Omaha Beach to be at 640x480 with low textures :(

Thanks..

No 7500 here, but if you need more performance in RTCW, turn off Anisotropic filtering.

Checkpoing demo with 1024x768x32, everything high, but normal texture detail (fps is more important in multiplayer)

with aniso: 38,5 fps
without aniso: 47,5 fps.

That just totally smooths out your gameplay, and you can always switch aniso back on for Single-player.

yes, SD-[Inc], it is well known that MOHAA single player shows poor performance compared to multi-player. I noticed this when i tried SP demo after playing mp demo for a few weeks.
I have finished SP in full version and now playing mp and SP runs slower indeed in full game as well. Anyway, that was just the impression i got. that Omaha beach in sp is a killer. so low fps in the opening. i too bought my 7500 to play omaha beach at high settings. I've played missions before it with my onboard video. Got my card just before omaha. overall, i was able to play the game with high setting but frame rate is about the same as my previous onboard video. damn it.

Thanks Duffman. I think I am going to wait on getting this game until Uncle Sam delivers my tax return and I go for that DDR/Athlon XP/8500 upgrade I have been drooling over for a while.