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taz291819 Feb 23, 2011 04:32 PM

Wow, I'm really looking forward to this one. Loved BF2.

nomore Feb 23, 2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scart (Post 1336506706)

I think that was the Terminator 5 teaser trailer. :bleh:

AllexxisF1 Feb 23, 2011 06:08 PM

Holy hell was the footage amazing.

PC gaming is going to head into the stratosphere with this title. :drool:

acidosmosis Feb 23, 2011 09:10 PM

Edited.

What I WANT out of Battlefield 3:

- NO commander feature. This is NOT realistic. Nor does it exist in reality. Anyone with a brain knows this. Nor WILL it exist in reality for decades. A UAV is acceptable, but not the way that games use them. Artillery is acceptable, but not the way that games use it. Commander HURT BF2 and the greatness it could have become. It's FINE with me to have a Commander in the game, but not in any shape or form similar to what was in BF2.
- NOT like COD or BF titles released after BF2
- PC version is NOT "consolized" in ANY shape or form.
- We can still enter/exit vehicles at will.
- Falling to a prone position is NOT an advantage, but a disadvantage (cause the damn screen to shake and accuracy to fall off DRASTICALLY). At least for several seconds. This will stop using this in an incredibly troll-istic manner.
- Bunny hopping is stopped.
- Punkbuster is either IMPROVED or NOT USED. It kicks 90% more legit players than those that are cheaters/exploiters. This is just a FACT. I have thousands of hours in 1942, BF2, Vietnam etc and have almost NEVER seen it kick a cheater, but have been kicked by it many times and seen other legit players kicked by it many times. Also, FRAPS is not a cheat. Stop kicking me for having it installed. And I'm incredibly sick of PBs various issues.
- ABSOLUTELY no ability to spam report people and have it shown on the radar.
- Absolutely no ability to show 'red dots' on the radar. This crap is just uncalled for, stupid and pathetic. Players should have to use their eyes, peripheral and just SPATIAL AWARENESS of the Battlefield to know what is going on. Along with communication from other teammates.
- None of the ridiculous "Kill x players in a row and get a special ability" crap like in COD.
- Improved hit box. Head shot from any weapon = DEAD. 2 hits from ANY weapon = DEAD. 1 leg shot = SEVERE DISABILITY. Etc.
- Stop treating the BF franchise like an arcade title. I won't buy that crap. Do you honestly think I want to play a game with a bunch of COD kiddies? There's no fun there.

Do all that, then I'll buy it and any expansions.

demo Feb 23, 2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507332)
- Falling to a prone position is NOT an advantage, but a disadvantage (cause the damn screen to shake and accuracy to fall off DRASTICALLY). At least for several seconds. This will stop using this in an incredibly troll-istic manner.
- Bunny hopping is stopped.

Agreed, no prone makes for good gameplay in a lot of games imo but prone done properly could be even better. CoD "go prone" syndrome is teh ghey for gameplay and is what I would like to avoid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507332)
- ABSOLUTELY no ability to spam report people and have it shown on the radar.

- Improved hit box. Head shot from any weapon = DEAD. 2 hits from ANY weapon = DEAD. 1 leg shot = SEVERE DISABILITY. Etc.

Disagree on these.

If you are referring to the spotting feature in BC2, I like it. Due to the size and dynamically changing maps its the perfect communication button, instead of having to yell over 15 ppl to give an enemies position "behind the tree on the left" and so on, you hit the spot button and your team gets the information nice and easy. What they could do perhaps is not have the spot button track the enemy player and after you spot an enemy the red indicator stays stationary in the position you spotted the enemy, still giving your team mates a general idea where the enemy was.

I think the BC2 damages are fine, killing too easily does not make for good gameplay imo and weapons can be exploited easier.

Trunks0 Feb 23, 2011 10:06 PM

Spoting has been around since 1942. The only issue I have with it, is that it tracks the player for WAY to long.

And I agree that headshots, regardless of weapon, should = dead.

demo Feb 23, 2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1336507372)
Spoting has been around since 1942. The only issue I have with it, is that it tracks the player. The only time it should follow, and only for a short time, is aircraft.

And I agree that headshot, reguardless of weapon should = dead.

Yer spotting should not track the player.

As for headshots I think it should depend on the weapon, if you tagged someone in the head from a 9mm pistol at mid range that should not be a kill, in closer range with an ak-47 then yer sure. 2 tags to the body is far too little though, where's the skill?

acidosmosis Feb 23, 2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demowhc (Post 1336507376)
Yer spotting should not track the player.

As for headshots I think it should depend on the weapon, if you tagged someone in the head from a 9mm pistol at mid range that should not be a kill, in closer range with an ak-47 then yer sure. 2 tags to the body is far too little though, where's the skill?

And how exactly does a 9mm at any range (if it's a hit to the head) not mean a kill? Show me one person that has simply shrugged that off and continued on with no effect whatsoever to their ability to wage war? Unless you mean the bullet glancing off a helmet. Then at mid range I can somewhat deal with that, as long as it's a "chance" rather than an always.

demo Feb 23, 2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507385)
And how exactly does a 9mm at any range (if it's a hit to the head) not mean a kill? Show me one person that has simply shrugged that off and continued on with no effect whatsoever to their ability to wage war? Unless you mean the bullet glancing off a helmet. Then at mid range I can somewhat deal with that, as long as it's a "chance" rather than an always.

Well, I think everyone sniping with 9mm pistols and smg's because they kill with a single tag at anything but close range is bad for gameplay.. It's like people using uzi's with giant scopes in BC2 HC LoL.. Plenty of people have survived real life head shots from a single round aswell, especially when using head gear.

And yes there should be a chance of it glancing off the helmet if it isnt a direct hit to the face, and perhaps even hitting the helmet should reduce damage making 2 tags necessary, the first tag could still do 95% damage etc so if the enemy is even slightly hurt (which is often in BF games in the action) then a single tag will still drop them.

Killing too easily takes the skill out of the game and makes for boring fire fights. There is no exchange to see who has the better aim and the game becomes more random.

xNaquada Feb 23, 2011 10:42 PM

Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!

Sobek Feb 23, 2011 10:58 PM

What I want;

ENEMY WHEELBARROW SPOTTED!

What I don't want;

Punkbuster.

I am a simple man to please.

*edit* Oh and how about a NORMAL trailer. Enough with this digital new age Terminator-style 'supr-srs-bzns' crap!

acidosmosis Feb 23, 2011 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobek (Post 1336507418)
What I want;

ENEMY WHEELBARROW SPOTTED!

What I don't want;

Punkbuster.

I am a simple man to please.

*edit* Oh and how about a NORMAL trailer. Enough with this digital new age Terminator-style 'supr-srs-bzns' crap!

Yea, PB is an absolute pile of ****.

Napoleonic Feb 23, 2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507332)
Edited.

What I WANT out of Battlefield 3:

- NO commander feature. This is NOT realistic. Nor does it exist in reality. Anyone with a brain knows this. Nor WILL it exist in reality for decades. A UAV is acceptable, but not the way that games use them. Artillery is acceptable, but not the way that games use it. Commander HURT BF2 and the greatness it could have become. It's FINE with me to have a Commander in the game, but not in any shape or form similar to what was in BF2.
- NOT like COD or BF titles released after BF2
- PC version is NOT "consolized" in ANY shape or form.
- We can still enter/exit vehicles at will.
- Falling to a prone position is NOT an advantage, but a disadvantage (cause the damn screen to shake and accuracy to fall off DRASTICALLY). At least for several seconds. This will stop using this in an incredibly troll-istic manner.
- Bunny hopping is stopped.
- Punkbuster is either IMPROVED or NOT USED. It kicks 90% more legit players than those that are cheaters/exploiters. This is just a FACT. I have thousands of hours in 1942, BF2, Vietnam etc and have almost NEVER seen it kick a cheater, but have been kicked by it many times and seen other legit players kicked by it many times. Also, FRAPS is not a cheat. Stop kicking me for having it installed. And I'm incredibly sick of PBs various issues.
- ABSOLUTELY no ability to spam report people and have it shown on the radar.
- Absolutely no ability to show 'red dots' on the radar. This crap is just uncalled for, stupid and pathetic. Players should have to use their eyes, peripheral and just SPATIAL AWARENESS of the Battlefield to know what is going on. Along with communication from other teammates.
- None of the ridiculous "Kill x players in a row and get a special ability" crap like in COD.
- Improved hit box. Head shot from any weapon = DEAD. 2 hits from ANY weapon = DEAD. 1 leg shot = SEVERE DISABILITY. Etc.
- Stop treating the BF franchise like an arcade title. I won't buy that crap. Do you honestly think I want to play a game with a bunch of COD kiddies? There's no fun there.

Do all that, then I'll buy it and any expansions.

why don't u play ARMA or Red Orchestra? you're wasting your time posting that.

acidosmosis Feb 24, 2011 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleonic (Post 1336507424)
why don't u play ARMA or Red Orchestra? you're wasting your time posting that.

:hmm:

Actually, I'm not. Most BF players will agree with most of what I said on some level or another. Minus the COD kiddies that enjoy the aspects of the BF franchise that are less desirable.

Xplode Feb 24, 2011 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507442)
:hmm:

Actually, I'm not. Most BF players will agree with most of what I said on some level or another. Minus the COD kiddies that enjoy the aspects of the BF franchise that are less desirable.

Actually, you are. While the BF series is more realistic compared to CoD, it was never THAT realistic and it should stay that way.

demo Feb 24, 2011 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507442)
:hmm:

Actually, I'm not. Most BF players will agree with most of what I said on some level or another. Minus the COD kiddies that enjoy the aspects of the BF franchise that are less desirable.

You're the one that wants to make it CoD style with overpowered weapons and removal of spotting.. Sounds like you want Battlefield:MoH lol

But I actually agree with most of your other points.

Dr Gonzo Feb 24, 2011 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scart (Post 1336506706)

If it actually looks like that on release I will willingly feast on my own scrotum.

demo Feb 24, 2011 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo (Post 1336507477)
If it actually looks like that on release I will willingly feast on my own scrotum.

I saw in another vid saying that nothing was pre-rendered and it showed the devs confirm this on twitter.

Chubz Feb 24, 2011 02:49 AM

It's hard to get pumped up about a gameplay teaser for Battlefield 3 that appears to show only scripted single-player footage. :(

I'd love to see footage of large maps with 50-60+ players and chaos everywhere!

Jaws of Life Feb 24, 2011 02:59 AM

If that trailer is showing real in-game footage then I am impressed. Probably won't run smooth on my PC though. :mad:

icecold1983 Feb 24, 2011 04:34 AM

wow, looks like crysis 2 should look. finally something that bests the likes of kz and uncharted

bob saget Feb 24, 2011 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo (Post 1336507477)
If it actually looks like that on release I will willingly feast on my own scrotum.

:D.....................:|

Douglaster Feb 24, 2011 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xNaquada (Post 1336507407)
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!
Enemy boat spotted!

And all this on the mainland :D !

BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ
BARRARAQUEMUQUERARÁ

To the INFINITY !! :bleh:

SOCOM Ops Feb 24, 2011 09:11 AM

Hehehe. Never was a Battlefield fan as I wasnt all that impressed with BF2. However I am more than willing to give BF3 a chance, also prepare for a massive influx of moving targets from other games.

Trust me on this one... get this game early, even if it means you will have to suffer the usual DICE derived glitches and hiccups.

Gerard Feb 24, 2011 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icecold1983 (Post 1336507507)
finally something that bests the likes of kz and uncharted

Still smoking that crack pipe regularly...

acidosmosis Feb 24, 2011 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubz (Post 1336507487)
It's hard to get pumped up about a gameplay teaser for Battlefield 3 that appears to show only scripted single-player footage. :(

I'd love to see footage of large maps with 50-60+ players and chaos everywhere!

I personally prefer not to play on a map with that many players. There is absolutely no ability to use strategy with that many players. Or to be stealthy as a sniper. Or anything fun. Instead it's just utter chaos the likes of Quake - spawn, do your best to get off a shot on someone before you die 15 seconds later.

acroig Feb 24, 2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icecold1983 (Post 1336507507)
wow, looks like crysis 2 should look. finally something that bests the likes of kz and uncharted

:eek: , I'm shocked! :p

acidosmosis Feb 24, 2011 01:18 PM

Another thing is I have become SICK AND TIRED of getting off 5 rounds on another player before he even spots me only to have him spin around and kill me in 1-2 shots. That crap has got to be stopped.

We should also be able to lay down suppressing fire as support. What I mean by this is that we have massive clips for a reason. Those weapons exist for that reason. Laying down fire on a position should be a threat, not a open window to easily pop out and one shot the guy with the PKM.

Evileh Feb 24, 2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidosmosis (Post 1336507771)
Another thing is I have become SICK AND TIRED of getting off 5 rounds on another player before he even spots me only to have him spin around and kill me in 1-2 shots. That crap has got to be stopped.

Happens all the time to me.

Chubz Feb 24, 2011 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icecold1983 (Post 1336507507)
wow, looks like crysis 2 should look. finally something that bests the likes of kz and uncharted

You sneaky S.O.B., always finding a way to tie Crysis 2 into a thread, which then is said to be beaten by PS3 games. :mad: Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky!


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