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acroig May 21, 2020 12:07 PM

Report: AMD And NVIDIA Launching Next Generation Flagships In September
 
"Word on the vine is that both AMD and NVIDIA are planning to launch their next-generation graphics cards by September this year. NVIDIA has been chipping away on its 7nm Ampere architecture and AMD is allegedly planning on (finally) launching the anxiously anticipated Big Navi GPU (or whatever AMD ends up calling it). The source in question is Taiwan's biggest technology newspaper, Digitimes (via Videocardz), and has been very reliable in the past."

https://wccftech.com/report-amd-and-...-in-september/

Get ready to pay, gays! :lol:

Nascar24 May 21, 2020 12:36 PM

Bank Account reduction incoming!

OverclockN' May 21, 2020 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338194535)
Bank Account reduction incoming!

+1 :yes:

Exposed May 21, 2020 01:43 PM

Ah, this reminds me of the good old days when both AMD/ATI and Nvidia released their next gen cards at practically the same time. That and when high quality internet porn was 320x200 :bleh:

Should be interesting indeed.

bill dennison May 21, 2020 03:50 PM

here is hoping Big Navi torpedoes all NVIDIA's plans and prices :p

we need another 4870 and gtx 280 price drop

but NV has not released right before AMD since the gtx 280 and i think they will let AMD go first this time

KAC May 21, 2020 06:56 PM

Let's hope this time the pricing is right :bleh:

SIrPauly May 21, 2020 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338194585)
here is hoping Big Navi torpedoes all NVIDIA's plans and prices :p

we need another 4870 and gtx 280 price drop

but NV has not released right before AMD since the gtx 280 and i think they will let AMD go first this time

I think high prices are expected based on size, complexity and R & D resources spent. It Amd desires to get into the lucrative data center market, small die, sweet spot strategies like the 3870, 4870 and 5870 are distant memories.

You can see Data Center revenue from Nvidia inching close to Geforce gaming revenue and may surpass it next quarter.

bill dennison May 21, 2020 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly (Post 1338194624)
I think high prices are expected based on size, complexity and R & D resources spent. It Amd desires to get into the lucrative data center market, small die, sweet spot strategies like the 3870, 4870 and 5870 are distant memories.

You can see Data Center revenue from Nvidia inching close to Geforce gaming revenue and may surpass it next quarter.

smaller die MCM is Hopper next year and AMD also most likely

this maybe the last gasp of the monolithic die hopefully

.....

then the 3080 ti is said to be a 800+ mm2 die with low 7nm wafer supply per NV playing price games with TSMC

and Navi2x is said to be a 505 mm2 die and AMD scored extra 7nm wafers from NV's games
unknow if Navi2x is gaming only

SIrPauly May 21, 2020 11:07 PM

I think the core for the Ti will be smaller than that. The multi-chip packages in the future may be monolithic and very complex for the flagship. Monolithic designs are not going away, imho.

Navi2's architecture is probably geared for gaming and data centers. Data center revenue is lucrative, growing and the main revenue driver for the future. You don't wanna miss out and fall too far behind.

The companies may of had different strategies for the gpu: Intel and Amd spent resources on integration, while leveraging the cpu while Nvidia was innovating the Gpu and software to me. Nvidia's market cap is inching closer to the mighty Intel.

Sasquach May 22, 2020 09:14 AM

Did AMD abandon the plan to keep Vega for compute purposes? That thing's apparently a compute beast (maybe not now since its been out for so long already)

Also didnt AMD also use big dies in the Evergreen series way back? (5870, first with DX11 and they annihilated nvidia for about 6 months)

bill dennison May 22, 2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach (Post 1338194674)
Did AMD abandon the plan to keep Vega for compute purposes? That thing's apparently a compute beast (maybe not now since its been out for so long already)

Also didnt AMD also use big dies in the Evergreen series way back? (5870, first with DX11 and they annihilated nvidia for about 6 months)

no since they just released one last week

Quote:

AMD unveils 7nm Radeon Pro VII graphics card for workstations
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...r-workstations

Quote:

AMD’s Radeon Pro VII Professional Graphics Card Leaks Out – 16 GB HBM2, 7nm Vega GPU, Reportedly Faster Than The Quadro RTX 5000
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-pro-...-gb-hbm2-leak/

SIrPauly May 22, 2020 12:33 PM

No one is offering Amd has forsaken this market but has some trouble competing with Nvidia here. Navi2 may change things, Intel may change things. I find it amazing that Nvidia database revenue may outpace GeForce gaming revenue next quarter.

bill dennison May 22, 2020 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly (Post 1338194724)
No one is offering Amd has forsaken this market but has some trouble competing with Nvidia here. Navi2 may change things, Intel may change things. I find it amazing that Nvidia database revenue may outpace GeForce gaming revenue next quarter.

Quote:

In its presentations, the company placed particular emphasis on the data center market, both on-premises enterprise and hyperscaler/cloud services, which CEO Lisa Su said will be a $35 billion TAM by 2023. The company is making an aggressive move in GPUs for data center-based AI/machine learning workloads, announcing a GPU architecture, called CDNA, that is a compute-focused counterpart to the company’s RDMA GPU architecture for gaming.

In this way, AMD is mounting an effort to compete with Nvidia’s leadership in data center GPUs. CDNA is compute-oriented by virtue of incorporating fewer graphics bits, explained industry watcher Patrick Moorhead, president of Moor Insights & Strategy.

“This is a good move as data center GPUs don't need many of the features a consumer graphics card needs,” Moorhead said. “This includes elements like display and pixel rendering engines, and ray tracing. This means AMD can save cost by removing those elements and add more gates that help data center performance, like tensor OPS.”
https://www.enterpriseai.news/2020/0...pling-20-cagr/

i get from this is AMD is going to two separate and completely different GPU's

for CDNA ( compute ) and RDNA ( gaming only )

SIrPauly May 22, 2020 01:00 PM

I don't know about that. It would make more sense to design an architecture that can do both and engineer a die or core that exposes the targeted market strengths.

So based on what you're offering Navi2 is strictly for gaming?

bill dennison May 22, 2020 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly (Post 1338194728)
I don't know about that. It would make more sense to design an architecture that can do both and engineer a die or core that exposes the targeted market strengths.

So based on what you're offering Navi2 is strictly for gaming?

so far

big navi or Navi 2x has been marketed as a high end 4k gaming card

i remember reading somewhere they were splitting them as one gpu for both was not working with GCN
it was good for a pro card but crap for gaming
and why the CDNA and RDNA

but till release like always it is all fud

but maybe they can get a fire pro card out of Navi 2x but i don't know and have seen nothing on it yet
and fire pro cards came out first with GCN

and with the GCN 7nm Radeon Pro VII is just coming out now i don't see them replacing it soon

KAC May 22, 2020 11:26 PM

Might be the first interesting year in GPUs since 7970.

SIrPauly May 23, 2020 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338194732)
so far

big navi or Navi 2x has been marketed as a high end 4k gaming card

i remember reading somewhere they were splitting them as one gpu for both was not working with GCN
it was good for a pro card but crap for gaming
and why the CDNA and RDNA

but till release like always it is all fud

but maybe they can get a fire pro card out of Navi 2x but i don't know and have seen nothing on it yet
and fire pro cards came out first with GCN

and with the GCN 7nm Radeon Pro VII is just coming out now i don't see them replacing it 3


Yeah, Cdna's architecture takes advantage of their infinity technology for efficiency between mutiple cpu and Gpu communication. I just read their Analyst day material.

SirBaron May 23, 2020 11:39 AM

I hope AMD offers something competitive in the high end for once.

Nascar24 May 23, 2020 12:30 PM

Looks like some pro cards as well

https://wccftech.com/amd-rdna-2-navi...-cards-leaked/

bill dennison May 23, 2020 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338194846)

Sh*t

so Cdna is just Data center and not Fire pro also :bleh:

GTwannabe May 26, 2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338194585)
here is hoping Big Navi torpedoes all NVIDIA's plans and prices :p

we need another 4870 and gtx 280 price drop

but NV has not released right before AMD since the gtx 280 and i think they will let AMD go first this time

It would be nice, but...



NV has been sandbagging due to lack of competition at the high end. If AMD does pull off a win, NV will immediately launch something faster.

Nagorak May 26, 2020 09:44 PM

I'm honestly not sure Nvidia is as far ahead as people think. If you just scaled up the 5700 XT it would already be competitive with the 2080 Ti, so it's not like AMD couldn't have competed last gen they just didn't want to. It probably wasn't worth diverting more fab time from their already lucrative CPUs.

Most of the power efficiency deficit that AMD currently suffers vs Nvidia is related to their parts not clocking that high and thus being run at high voltage. If they manage to address that, they're immediately back in contention. But we shall see.

Either way, I have a G-sync monitor now, so I guess I'm stuck with the green team.

SirBaron May 27, 2020 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338195288)
I'm honestly not sure Nvidia is as far ahead as people think. If you just scaled up the 5700 XT it would already be competitive with the 2080 Ti, so it's not like AMD couldn't have competed last gen they just didn't want to. It probably wasn't worth diverting more fab time from their already lucrative CPUs.

Most of the power efficiency deficit that AMD currently suffers vs Nvidia is related to their parts not clocking that high and thus being run at high voltage. If they manage to address that, they're immediately back in contention. But we shall see.

Either way, I have a G-sync monitor now, so I guess I'm stuck with the green team.

Nvidia is far ahead because they release cards long before AMD has something to compete.

5700 xt July 7, 2019
2080 ti September 27, 2018

Came out late, no Ray Traycing and wasn't as fast.

IF they released at the same time you could argue, but then only on price point because Ti is still faster, Ray traycing etc.

However they released more than half a year later.

I hope AMD competes this time, I doubt it, but I hope so because Nvidia needs a kick in the ass to drop the prices, so I can get a cheaper card :bleh:

bill dennison May 27, 2020 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBaron (Post 1338195385)
Nvidia is far ahead because they release cards long before AMD has something to compete.

5700 xt July 7, 2019
2080 ti September 27, 2018

Came out late, no Ray Traycing and wasn't as fast.

IF they released at the same time you could argue, but then only on price point because Ti is still faster, Ray traycing etc.

However they released more than half a year later.

I hope AMD competes this time, I doubt it, but I hope so because Nvidia needs a kick in the ass to drop the prices, so I can get a cheaper card :bleh:

:lol:

so you are not going to buy AMD you just want them to force NV cheaper ??? :hmm:
this is why NV can keep their prices sky high no matter how well AMD does on navi 2x


I hope AMD has a good card so i can buy it and get away from supporting asshole NV

if navi 2x is 50% faster than my 2080 ti like they say = sold
i will buy a navi 2x asus strix as soon as it is out and i don't care if the 1400+ 3080 ti is faster

SirBaron May 28, 2020 02:40 PM

I don't trust AMD drivers to play nicely with wireless VR streaming.

If AMD ever releases a competitive card, has Ray Traycing without any compatibility issues, i.e. Nvidia exclusive RT games or something, and my VR works perfectly. Sure I'll get AMD.

I just extremely doubt that situation, they may get close to Nvidia performance, and then drop force Nvidia to drop price to further increase competition.

It's not a perfect world, but that's AMD's fault not mine.

AllexxisF1 May 28, 2020 02:48 PM

Let's see what kind of pricing they're planning during a pandemic. :lol:

SIrPauly May 28, 2020 03:37 PM

Considering gamers gamed more during the lockdown and prices haven't dropped currently, which may translate into still strong demand for gaming hardware. If the demand remains strong, higher end products may continue to carry a steep premium.

bill dennison May 28, 2020 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly (Post 1338195701)
Considering gamers gamed more during the lockdown and prices haven't dropped currently, which may translate into still strong demand for gaming hardware. If the demand remains strong, higher end products may continue to carry a steep premium.

my 2080 ti strix was 1350 msrp i will bet the 3080 ti strix will be more maybe up to 250 more for all ampere cards

NV will not drop prices .
7nm prices will make them jack them up since they could not force TSMC to give them a special price and lost a lot of wafers to AMD :lol:

the AMD navi 2x will be 800 to 1000 most likely


NV will not drop prices no matter how fast AMD is or it price they got too many bamboozled about AMD drivers
single card they are both the same just as many problems, only with SLI did NV have a driver advantage and it is dead

unless the navi 2x is 15%+ faster than a 3080 ti NV will just ignore AMD on the high end

and navi 2x will most likely be faster than a 3080 non ti and 10% to 15% slower than the 3080 ti like the old normal
AMD would have to price it sub 600 to force NV to drop prices
and that isn't going to happen in this market with 7nm costs

SIrPauly May 28, 2020 04:44 PM

Nvidia would drop prices depending on market conditions and demand, one may imagine. They dropped pricing real fast with the disruptive 4870 and 4850 from Amd. If Navi 2 and the refresh for Navi 1 are disruptive and priced aggressively to garner market share, while keeping margins strong, Nvidia may be forced to lower prices.

bill dennison May 28, 2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly (Post 1338195723)
Nvidia would drop prices depending on market conditions and demand, one may imagine. They dropped pricing real fast with the disruptive 4870 and 4850 from Amd. If Navi 2 and the refresh for Navi 1 are disruptive and priced aggressively to garner market share, while keeping margins strong, Nvidia may be forced to lower prices.

that was a long time before Nvidia saw gamers paying 2x the MSRP for 1080 ti's because of mining but crazy gamers still bought them

i was lucky and got my 1080 ti strix just a few weeks before it went nuts for more than a year

that is the only reason the 2080 ti founders edition was 1199
and still is when most would think with new cards on the way prices would drop by now

Nvidia greed is good

i really hope AMD does to them what they are doing to Intel now


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