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Higgy10 Nov 19, 2020 03:43 PM

Official 6x00 Stock Thread(or lack thereof)
 
wanna bitch about no stock, or where you found it

you have come to the right thread

LordHawkwind Nov 19, 2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Higgy10 (Post 1338245970)
wanna bitch about no stock, or where you found it

you have come to the right thread

Like this. Make sure you don't mention the 20.11.2 drivers though :lol:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/dr...80-launch.html

Crawdaddy79 Nov 19, 2020 04:58 PM

Microcenter doesn't even have a placeholder for this. At least for the 30XX cards they had listings but out of stock by the end of the first day.

Glad I didn't make a big deal out of NV's poor launch. AMD's is looking like a drip... drip... instead of the trickle Nvidia managed.

Maybe they'll find a kink in the hose, straighten it out, and the market will be flooded with new Radeons.

Riptide Nov 19, 2020 08:02 PM

Only people I've seen get it on discord got it on amd's website or amazon with a bot. That's it.

badsykes Nov 20, 2020 12:47 AM




:D :D

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 01:34 PM

Just like Baldric on Blackadder (it was a British comedy series starring Rowan Atkinson) I've come up with a cunning plan. Spoke to a colleague at work who I know lives next door to and is a big friend of a guy who owns an independent computer retailer business. From what I can gather he's not big enough to deal with AIB's direct so he goes through a distributor/wholesaler. Anyway a few whatsapp tweets later and he's given my details to his Sales Manager and asked me to contact him Tuesday afternoon and if they get stock they'll do a deal.

As he sources from a distributor that is going to add some cost and obviously I'm not going to get mates rates. It will be full retail. So I'm hoping for £749 to £779 and I'll do a deal. Any more than that then I'll wait till things become more normalised in a couple of months.

Hopefully, unlike Baldric's cunning plans that always went wrong this one works out. If it doesn't then I'll just buy whichever card I can when's its available. I don't really need to upgrade but I've decided I will so not a rational purchasing decision :lol:

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 02:15 PM

Just so it doesn't magically disappear a post from a closed thread.

To try and be a bit more fair I think it's clear that in AMD's early planning they knew they had 0% of the enthusiast GPU market and they knew that Nvidia with 100% of the segment were launching the 30 series in the same quarter. They will have then set themselves a target of how many 6800 sales they could realistically make coming from a non existant base. They would have realistically set a target of 2 to 3% over say the first 6 months and an optomistic market share of 10% over the life of the card (obviously these are just made up numbers). That would then have fed into their production schedule and this would have been set months in advance of the launch.

As they are also producing the Xbox, PS5 and Zen 3 it would probably have left them very little wriggle room in re crunching the numbers. Then they saw what happened with the 3080/90 and two weeks later the 3070 launch. I bet they thought oh sh*t. Now instead of maybe 2% of the market being a target there was probably 10x that number who couldn't get a 30 series card and would now consider a 6800. Unfortunately they would have then known there was no way they could meet this huge demand as the production numbers would have been written in stone and unable to be changed. So this was a perfect sh*t storm that unfortunately they would have had no way of predicting during their production scheduling.

At this point they could have come out and told the truth about the situation asked for people's patience whilst they tried to address the issue. Like they mention in the article Pax posted they could have come up with an EVGA type system to ensure the right people got the cards they did have without all the frustrations.

The rest as they say is history as we all know what they chose to do. Add in the stupid bet from Frank Azor and then his moronic tweet about buying a 6800 that the whole pack of cards collapsed. Don't lie to your consumers as that never ends well as Apple has found out with the Jobs arial issues, bendgate and ofc Nvidia's gimped 970 memory to name but a few.

So where does that leave us with 6800 availabilty? In the short term little to non existant and in the medium term a little better but the chances of any of us geting one in 2020 is looking remote unless we get very very lucky.

Obviously, all opinions are my own. Just my 2c's.

Crawdaddy79 Nov 20, 2020 03:30 PM

This whole thing is a huge missed opportunity for everyone. I wish AMD had done something to manage expectations about how much stock they actually had on its way.

With this, I'm glad I decided on the 5700XT rather than getting a base 5600 as a stop-gap in waiting for Big Navi.

acroig Nov 20, 2020 03:34 PM

Still hopeful for lots more inventory on the 25th but demand seems unprecedented.

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338246305)
Still hopeful for lots more inventory on the 25th but demand seems unprecedented.

See post #7. It is was it is.

Mangler Nov 20, 2020 03:39 PM

The youtubers with real industry contacts seems to think that it's going to be an ampere launch 2.0 situation.

acroig Nov 20, 2020 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338246307)
See post #7. It is was it is.

You may be right, time will tell.

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 03:58 PM

Oops regarding #7 I forget to mention scalper scum. Neither AMD or Nvidia would have imagined scalpers would have been interested in graphics cards costing £700+. It seems that almost 50% or more are buying the cards and instantly trying to sell them on Ebay for at least 2x the money. They don't even want to open the box they just want to make a profit. We called out miners for buying cards but at least they used them. These scum don't care and use bots to buy as many as they can.

Unfortunately it's now attracting the clueless and one guy thought he'd bought a 6800XT off Overclockers UK, set up a new EBAY account and then posted his receipt with all his personal details on asking for £1,599 :lol: Went viral on the forum and his card purchase was immediately cancelled and he tried to take down his account but not before they scraped his picture and personal details. Serves him right.

bill dennison Nov 20, 2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338246318)
Oops regarding #7 I forget to mention scalper scum. Neither AMD or Nvidia would have imagined scalpers would have been interested in graphics cards costing £700+. It seems that almost 50% or more are buying the cards and instantly trying to sell them on Ebay for at least 2x the money. They don't even want to open the box they just want to make a profit. We called out miners for buying cards but at least they used them. These scum don't care and use bots to buy as many as they can.

Unfortunately it's now attracting the clueless and one guy thought he'd bought a 6800XT off Overclockers UK, set up a new EBAY account and then posted his receipt with all his personal details on asking for £1,599 :lol: Went viral on the forum and his card purchase was immediately cancelled and he tried to take down his account but not before they scraped his picture and personal details. Serves him right.

scott herkelman said in that video they like what EVGA did and are talking to and trying to get other AIB's to do it

unknown if they will

but would be great if Asus, MSI and the rest did

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 04:15 PM

Latest news from Gibbo at Overclockers UK. They've shipped all the 65 cards they got at launch and are expecting 100 next week presumably AIB he doesn't clarify. YEAH. Rock on AMD. At this rate they might be able to fix RT making cards crash intermittently before their are any cards sold. Yeah. Oops think my cunning plan has just gone up in smoke :lol:

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338246319)
scott herkelman said in that video they like what EVGA did and are talking to and trying to get other AIB's to do it

unknown if they will

but would be great if Asus, MSI and the rest did

Bill they work for AMD :lol: They tell you want you want to hear and what they've been told to say otherwise they lose their jobs. Simples. Total BS from AMD. They have zero control over AIB's as they have very few AMD only AIB's and they can't pi*s of the Nvidia also AIB's or their basically screwed. Same goes for retailers do you really think they'd tell AIB's to stop providing them to retailers who don't stop scalping?? I like a nice cup of Americano in the morning when I wake up :lol:

LordHawkwind Nov 20, 2020 05:02 PM

Even worse than I thought. From Gibbo for next week

195 total:
95pc Sapphire
100pc Powercolor

These are 6800 None XTís!

WTF AMD are screwed here, if that's it. No XT's. Really? Wow. Major clusterf*ck :lol: Buy a console instead.. oh wait they aren't available either.

I'm looking for a 3080 thanks AMD.

acroig Nov 20, 2020 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338246319)
scott herkelman said in that video they like what EVGA did and are talking to and trying to get other AIB's to do it

unknown if they will

but would be great if Asus, MSI and the rest did

Agreed!

NWR_Midnight Nov 20, 2020 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338246346)
Even worse than I thought. From Gibbo for next week

195 total:
95pc Sapphire
100pc Powercolor

These are 6800 None XTís!

WTF AMD are screwed here, if that's it. No XT's. Really? Wow. Major clusterf*ck :lol: Buy a console instead.. oh wait they aren't available either.

I'm looking for a 3080 thanks AMD.

You do realize that is 1 retailer in the global market right?

bill dennison Nov 20, 2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NWR_Midnight (Post 1338246357)
You do realize that is 1 retailer in the global market right?

one retailer in the #3 spot of the global market

US and then Canada is almost always first with AMD, NV M$, Sony & Intel

Nagorak Nov 20, 2020 07:49 PM

I think we need to wait at least for the AIB card to drop to judge the stock situation. More realistically, we probably need to wait a month to judge. AMD does seem to be struggling to deliver their CPUs though, so I don't know how much better we can expect GPU deliveries to be.

The issue with Nvidia is we're now two months out, with very little improvement on the stocking front.

Riptide Nov 20, 2020 11:34 PM

I honestly find it very hard to get excited about a lot of these youtube tech videos for these products. After watching a couple reviews, reading a few articles, it feels kinda flat.

I can't get the thing. So who cares.

LordHawkwind Nov 21, 2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Riptide (Post 1338246407)
I honestly find it very hard to get excited about a lot of these youtube tech videos for these products. After watching a couple reviews, reading a few articles, it feels kinda flat.

I can't get the thing. So who cares.

Totally agree. I haven't read a single full review of the 6800/XT I've just gone to the conclusion of some of them. Waste of time reading the full review if you can't actually buy them.

LordHawkwind Nov 21, 2020 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338246362)
one retailer in the #3 spot of the global market

US and then Canada is almost always first with AMD, NV M$, Sony & Intel

I see a lot of posts on here from Canadians who say AMD products are vapour ware and when they are available are expensive. If you look at the EU the market is about 600m, more than twice the USA. Intel, Nvidia MS and Sony think it's a big market so provide product availability. TBH anything AMD in Europe is seen as second rate Meh and maybe that's why they concentrate on America. If they broaden their horizons they might become as big as Nvidia :lol:

A few years ago I was on holiday in America when it was Canada day. One of the news stations in New York asked people what was the flag of Canada. Bear in mind New York state borders Canada 80% had no idea :lol: Don't forget according to Donald Trump Canada invaded you in 1815 and burnt down the White House (it was actually the Queen's East Lancashire Regiment, my local regiment, but hey why spoil a good lie.) If AMD can't be bothered supplying enough cards to a market that is twice the size of America so be it I don't really care.

So if no AMD GPU's in Europe who is really bothered about their CPU's especially Zen 3? What's SAM without a 6800? There is no availability of Zen 3 in the UK ATM. AMD is too full of idiots like Frank Azore to really understand how to make the brand go global. As you say over here it's very much seen as a USA brand whereas Nvidia is seen as a Global brand. Big, big difference.

Cream Nov 21, 2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338246373)
I think we need to wait at least for the AIB card to drop to judge the stock situation. More realistically, we probably need to wait a month to judge. AMD does seem to be struggling to deliver their CPUs though, so I don't know how much better we can expect GPU deliveries to be.

The issue with Nvidia is we're now two months out, with very little improvement on the stocking front.

Stock and re-stock will be key for AMD.

Read somewhere that AMD have taken very little stock in favour of supplying for third part cards, I guess we find out in 4 days....

bill dennison Nov 21, 2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338246550)
I see a lot of posts on here from Canadians who say AMD products are vapour ware and when they are available are expensive. If you look at the EU the market is about 600m, more than twice the USA. Intel, Nvidia MS and Sony think it's a big market so provide product availability. TBH anything AMD in Europe is seen as second rate Meh and maybe that's why they concentrate on America. If they broaden their horizons they might become as big as Nvidia :lol:

A few years ago I was on holiday in America when it was Canada day. One of the news stations in New York asked people what was the flag of Canada. Bear in mind New York state borders Canada 80% had no idea :lol: Don't forget according to Donald Trump Canada invaded you in 1815 and burnt down the White House (it was actually the Queen's East Lancashire Regiment, my local regiment, but hey why spoil a good lie.) If AMD can't be bothered supplying enough cards to a market that is twice the size of America so be it I don't really care.

So if no AMD GPU's in Europe who is really bothered about their CPU's especially Zen 3? What's SAM without a 6800? There is no availability of Zen 3 in the UK ATM. AMD is too full of idiots like Frank Azore to really understand how to make the brand go global. As you say over here it's very much seen as a USA brand whereas Nvidia is seen as a Global brand. Big, big difference.

https://www.google.com/search?client...sclient=psy-ab

https://www.google.com/search?client...sclient=psy-ab

looks more like 510m

and it not the population but the Disposable household and per capita income

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispos..._capita_income

then all your taxes and vat and regulations drive up the costs of PC hardware there so less people buy high end stuff

just more here buy high end stuff per capita here

then some people here are just nuts i know a guy right now that just bought a PS5 & xbox series x at higher prices than MSRP but can't afford to pay 400 bucks to me to fix his Heat and AC :lol: :nuts:

i did it anyway and he will pay me next month

SirBaron Nov 21, 2020 04:19 PM

The best line I heard was if Nvidia's was a paper launch, then this was a vapor launch.

Falck Nov 21, 2020 04:30 PM

I got very lucky here in Norway. I managed to get confirmation as one of twenty reference Asus 6800 XT cards from the only official retailer in Norway for the reference cards.

Gotta admit, when the launch happened and I was eagerly refershing the webpage, I think I blew my Fitbit XD. Was "too slow" on Zen 3 launch. Didn't want to make a rerun of that and managed to beat the bots!

bill dennison Nov 21, 2020 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SirBaron (Post 1338246569)
The best line I heard was if Nvidia's was a paper launch, then this was a vapor launch.


the nvidia founders edition was vapor also

the AIB's cards are the bigger sellers


i don't want a reference 6900 xt if at all posable and they don't let the AIB's have it

i really hope Asus brings back the Poseidon for the 6900 xt or msi does a sea hawk ek

bill dennison Nov 21, 2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Falck (Post 1338246572)
I got very lucky here in Norway. I managed to get confirmation as one of twenty reference Asus 6800 XT cards from the only official retailer in Norway for the reference cards.

Gotta admit, when the launch happened and I was eagerly refershing the webpage, I think I blew my Fitbit XD. Was "too slow" on Zen 3 launch. Didn't want to make a rerun of that and managed to beat the bots!

:cool:

when do you get it

we need benchmarks


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