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Razeus Sep 27, 2011 11:36 AM

[MERGED] Apple iPhone 4S (and other announced products)
 
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/27/apple...ent-for-oct-4/

http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/09/2...ent-for-oct-4/

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Apple on Tuesday officially announced its iPhone 5 launch event. According to the invitation received by The Loop, the event will be held on October 4 at Apple’s Cupertino, Calif. campus. The event will begin at 10:00 am PT.

Elysian Sep 27, 2011 11:56 AM

K

Tizen Sep 27, 2011 12:15 PM

mm.

vitocorleone Sep 27, 2011 12:21 PM

Really, Apple, a press conference? Well I guess since "everyone wants to copy" Amazon...

:lol:

Seriously though, I'm interested in iOS5, sort of iPhone5, and plan to upgrade our two 3GS phones once I qualify for a reasonable upgrade price from AT&T.

shrike126 Sep 27, 2011 12:22 PM

I like how the image correlates to the stuff being discussed. The calendar showing the date, the clock showing 10am, the location and the phone icon. Fun.

logical Sep 27, 2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shrike126 (Post 1336707673)
I like how the image correlates to the stuff being discussed. The calendar showing the date, the clock showing 10am, the location and the phone icon. Fun.

So only 1 thing to talk about then?

Jamar Sep 27, 2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shrike126 (Post 1336707673)
I like how the image correlates to the stuff being discussed. The calendar showing the date, the clock showing 10am, the location and the phone icon. Fun.

How about the Sprint press conference a couple of days later? :manches:

Razeus Sep 27, 2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by logical (Post 1336707704)
So only 1 thing to talk about then?

1 Phone. People seem to think there are 2 phones in production.

Djinn Sep 27, 2011 01:54 PM

I'm interested in the iPod Touch. My second-gen is getting long in the tooth. I want to see if the fifth-gen's upgrades are worth it.

A2597 Sep 27, 2011 01:57 PM

There are a LOT of rumors about an Iphone 4S, to replace the cheap 3GS in stores.

Razeus Sep 27, 2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Djinn (Post 1336707757)
I'm interested in the iPod Touch. My second-gen is getting long in the tooth. I want to see if the fifth-gen's upgrades are worth it.

Unfortunately, they seem to want to only "talk iPhone".

Sazar Sep 29, 2011 05:16 PM

The new cases that Engadget has up seem to indicate a thinner phone than the iPhone 4 and a larger product as well. 4 inches perhaps on the screen. If that is the case, this phone will become a lot more palatable.

shoman24v Sep 29, 2011 06:00 PM

Hummer phone

Sasquach Sep 29, 2011 07:01 PM

I bet its gonna be an iphone4 with 4g capabilities!!!

GROUNDBREAKING!!!
:bleh:

VVanks Oct 1, 2011 03:55 AM

I think it's going to be iPhone 5 for sure, and iPhone 4S. It's one new phone and one tweaked old phone.

I mean come on Apple, there is no way you spent an entire year just tweaking the iPhone 4's design. That's just boring and lame. They are such a powerhouse in the design department there's no way they sat idly by

HAL10000 Oct 1, 2011 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336711254)
I think it's going to be iPhone 5 for sure, and iPhone 4S. It's one new phone and one tweaked old phone.

I mean come on Apple, there is no way you spent an entire year just tweaking the iPhone 4's design. That's just boring and lame. They are such a powerhouse in the design department there's no way they sat idly by

Phones are going to end up like cars. Marginal yearly improvements.

What I find odd is that iOS5 GM has yet to be released but then again, Oct. 4 could merely be the full announcement, not shipping.

Razeus Oct 1, 2011 08:16 AM

I'm sure they'll announce the GM on the 4th.

wangFu Oct 1, 2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquach (Post 1336709964)
I bet its gonna be an iphone4 with 4g capabilities!!!

GROUNDBREAKING!!!
:bleh:

no, its magical, revolutionary

Seyiji Oct 1, 2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HAL10000 (Post 1336711263)
iPhones are going to end up like cars. Marginal yearly improvements.

What I find odd is that iOS5 GM has yet to be released but then again, Oct. 4 could merely be the full announcement, not shipping.

Fix't :nag:

HAL10000 Oct 2, 2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Seyiji (Post 1336711611)
Fix't :nag:

No, all phones.

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 12:07 PM

Okay my predictions:

2 Phones, iPhone 4 and iPhone 5. They won't talk about iPhone 4 at all. Basically it'll be upgraded with a few things but pushed towards newer users.

iPhone 5 will be their main focus along with iOS 5. Lots of hoopla about really cool new things and we'll see.

There is absolutely NO WAY that Apple has merely updated the iPhone's ram and CPU after a year plus. They simply don't work that way.

I think what's happening is that iPhone 5 is going to be a true world phone and they have been keeping this phone very very secretive

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 12:19 PM

Also I've figured out why they have the rectangular home button now it makes so much more sense.

I think it's still clickable but it's now capacitive.

Usage 1: Screen unlock, you no longer need to touch your screen to unlock it.

Usage 2: Changing tabs or months of other things

Usage 3: Changing icons

wc326 Oct 2, 2011 12:47 PM

most likely dual core at 1.5 ghz

if they can pull of a quad core at 1-1.5ghz. then it will be a very amazing cellphone

wc326 Oct 2, 2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336712222)
Also I've figured out why they have the rectangular home button now it makes so much more sense.
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:lol: a rectangular home button now???? did they copy that from samsung

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 01:20 PM

Yeah but I'm thinking they have a capacitive sensor on it now. Otherwise there is absolutely no point in making it rectangular. Nothing in Apple is going to lose form over function if there is no function

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wc326 (Post 1336712241)
most likely dual core at 1.5 ghz

if they can pull of a quad core at 1-1.5ghz. then it will be a very amazing cellphone

Why?? What the hell is a quad core going to do that a single core on a frigging CELLPHONE isn't already doing?

I've used Nexus S and the HTC Sensation. I see no difference in performance. In fact HTC actually runs a bit slower.

Sazar Oct 2, 2011 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336712212)

There is absolutely NO WAY that Apple has merely updated the iPhone's ram and CPU after a year plus. They simply don't work that way.

You are correct.

Apple has NEVER resorted to secrecy to drum up hoopla, speculation and all kinds of discussions about it's products in order to create a lust for it and then release something with marginal improvements at best and claim it was "magical" and "revolutionary".

:bleh:

BBA Oct 2, 2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sazar (Post 1336712347)
You are correct.

Apple has NEVER resorted to secrecy to drum up hoopla, speculation and all kinds of discussions about it's products in order to create a lust for it and then release something with marginal improvements at best and claim it was "magical" and "revolutionary".

:bleh:

Just what I was thinking.

Here's the deal: Better performance, G4 and SPRINT. Oh...and the rest of that 'magical' ooh and ahh **** on top.

logical Oct 2, 2011 06:35 PM

Fan boys get so angry when Apple releases a new product. :lol:

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sazar (Post 1336712347)
You are correct.

Apple has NEVER resorted to secrecy to drum up hoopla, speculation and all kinds of discussions about it's products in order to create a lust for it and then release something with marginal improvements at best and claim it was "magical" and "revolutionary".

:bleh:

Yeah but competition was seriously stepped up. Are you seriously thinking that Apple, the company with a 400 dollar stock is going to go up and say "In a year, we've made the iPhone 4S, with just more ram and bigger screen"

They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot.

Perky McGiggles Oct 2, 2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336712549)
Are you seriously thinking that Apple, the company with a 400 dollar stock is going to go up and say "In a year, we've made the iPhone 4S, with just more ram and bigger screen"

They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot.

They totally would, they just wouldn't be as honest as that. ;)


http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/01/...t-itunes-beta/

BackToPC Oct 2, 2011 09:08 PM

they fixed the antenna issue, upgrade the specs a little. that's enough to keep the iphone train rolling for another year easily.

VVanks Oct 2, 2011 09:23 PM

Not with the kind of competition ramping up. Apple is starting to become RIM, if they keep selling iPhone 4 compared to

HTC Sensation
Galaxy S2
Nexus prime
Android 4.0

They're doomed to failure. They've already come out with iOS 5, they need a new bigger splash screen. What are they going to talk about on Tuesday? This is pretty big in terms of investor interest, Steve Jobs steps down and all the team could come up with is... a rehashed phone from last year with a shitty antenna design?

If they come out with just the iPhone 4S, Apple stocks are gonna go tumbling.

Rumors are just rumors, they're clearly holding something close to their chest.

shrike126 Oct 2, 2011 09:33 PM

I think it's important to not overlook the "Let's talk iPhone" teaser. :bleh2:

Jamar Oct 2, 2011 09:34 PM

Damn you and your cryptic innuendo!!!

Sazar Oct 2, 2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336712549)
Yeah but competition was seriously stepped up. Are you seriously thinking that Apple, the company with a 400 dollar stock is going to go up and say "In a year, we've made the iPhone 4S, with just more ram and bigger screen"

They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot.

Apple's stock is not where it is because of how awesome their products are. Their stock is where it is because of the ability of Apple to move products over the past few years regardless of the actual quality of it.

Investors clearly believe that Apple will move millions of the new iPhone's regardless of the actual features. The new capacitive swipe home-button, the tapered design and all that are going to be touted as magical and innovative, Apple fans who don't use other products and don't know about the similar and much earlier implementation of the same from the competitors and will lap it up and the phones will continue to be purchased by the flocks.

In the office, I have had several conversations with fellow iPhone users at work. I am pretty much burnt out on my iPhone 4. It's not so much the actual hard-ware, which I think still looks awesome and works perfectly for my needs. No, it is more to do with the lack of innovation on the OS front. WinMo and Android are so far ahead of what is offered to the end-user, it's sad. But, that hasn't dissuaded most of my colleagues.

The iPhone came out, it wasn't bad but it was severly limited. The iPhone 3G was a bigger step up, but it was just minor revisions, the antennae was the only big news and even there it was just meeting the standards set by the competition. The OS was bigger news. The iPhone3GS likewise had minimal improvements.

Only with the iPhone 4 did we see a bigger improvement on the product, but most of it was limited to the screen (which at the time was better than the competition) and implementation of a camera with flash. Since the original iPhone came out, how many massive leaps have there been in the actual product?

FINALLY, several years after the original, we are likely to see a larger screen. And perhaps some other minor things to catch up to the competition. We'll find out in a couple of days just how amazing and magical the product is, but I am not holding my breath. The phone is so far behind the competition, it will need to hit it out of the ballpark to be considered a leap forward.

HAL10000 Oct 2, 2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sazar (Post 1336712608)
Apple's stock is not where it is because of how awesome their products are. Their stock is where it is because of the ability of Apple to move products over the past few years regardless of the actual quality of it.

Apple products are always well received and some of us have been repeat Apple customers with few (if any) quality problems.

However, Apple, like Germany, look better than than many simply because everyone else is doing worse. It's easy to gain marketshare in the PC space if Apple is competing against cheap mass-produced undifferentiated crap pushed out the door.

Apple seems to be at that right place at the right time.

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Originally Posted by Sazar (Post 1336712608)
The phone is so far behind the competition, it will need to hit it out of the ballpark to be considered a leap forward.

...and yet they ONLY sell 1,000,000+ units on the first day. Some of their competitors can only DREAM of something like that.

Sazar Oct 2, 2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HAL10000 (Post 1336712628)
Apple products are always well received and some of us have been repeat Apple customers with few (if any) quality problems.

The same problems I have right now? With the proximity sensor? The same one that Steve Jobs promised would be fixed a year ago and never was? If the same kinds of problems exist with other products, people change them.

If it happens with an Apple product, most users just ignore it for the privledge of use. You're comparing apples to oranges, no pun intended.

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However, Apple, like Germany, look better than than many simply because everyone else is doing worse. It's easy to gain marketshare in the PC space if Apple is competing against cheap mass-produced undifferentiated crap pushed out the door.
I don't get the Germany reference, but there are different markets out there, non-monopolized of-course. Boutique manufacturers maintain quality the same or better than Apple's. You also have lower-priced products that obviously will have more inexpensive stuff. Again, apples to oranges.

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Apple seems to be at that right place at the right time.
They have had some good products, i.e. iPod and iPhone/iPad. There is no question. But as with everything, there are other products on the market that existed before and are out there now that offer a lot more for less.

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...and yet they ONLY sell 1,000,000+ units on the first day. Some of their competitors can only DREAM of something like that.
Sales != quality. The iPhone is behind the times and needs a serious refresh, both on the hardware and on the operating system, ESPECIALLY the operating system. I have heard a lot about the hardware and it is well and good because Apple's refresh cycle leaves them behind the curve a lot of the time. But, I haven't heard much on the OS front and that has been the biggest disappointment. WinMo and Android have both pushed their OS's way ahead of the curve, Apple hopefully will at least catch back up.

wc326 Oct 2, 2011 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VVanks (Post 1336712270)
Why?? What the hell is a quad core going to do that a single core on a frigging CELLPHONE isn't already doing?

I've used Nexus S and the HTC Sensation. I see no difference in performance. In fact HTC actually runs a bit slower.

i think it is due to the fact that we are only running on a 2.2 or 2.3 system

once we get 4.0 which enable hardware accerlation on everthing.

you will see a huge difference.

and wihtout the dual core or quad core.. you wont' be able to see youtube 1080p smoothly:)

Chuck Oct 3, 2011 01:19 AM

Wish they slim down the design w/ iPhone 5. iPhone 4 looks like a fat-a** compared to Galaxy S2.


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