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SubCog Jun 19, 2020 06:26 PM

Is Lockhart happening?
 
If ms is gonna do it they need to announce it quick. What do you think?

Lazy8s Jun 19, 2020 07:01 PM

I think it's happening, and it's the one I'll buy...to sit in the PS5's shadow. :bleh:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming...rumor-roundup/

Quote:

If Xbox Lockhart exists, Microsoft isn’t saying. But in a surprise twist last week, security researcher TitleOS posted images from Windows code that made five references to an “Xbox-Lockhart” alongside “Xbox-Anaconda,” the codename for Xbox Series X.

It’s the best evidence yet that Xbox Lockhart may exist. And there’s now far more reason to believe Microsoft has a second Xbox in the works. Read on for more on Xbox Lockhart and everything we know so far about the company’s possible plans.

OverclockN' Jun 19, 2020 07:27 PM

What the hell is a Locktard? :confused:

SubCog Jun 20, 2020 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OverclockN' (Post 1338200629)
What the hell is a Locktard? :confused:


Trunks0 Jun 20, 2020 10:08 PM

Not sure they should bother really. Now that Sony's taking the route of the cheaper PS5 being spec'ed the same but without an optical drive.

*edit*
Oh unless they just do a re-release of the current X Box One X as a reduced cost.

p.s. Btw I just gotta say, XBox might have the worst naming scheme ever.

SubCog Jun 20, 2020 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338200842)
p.s. Btw I just gotta say, XBox might have the worst naming scheme ever.

:yes: :yes:

Sasquach Jun 22, 2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SubCog (Post 1338200847)
:yes: :yes:

Kind of like Final fantasy changing the names of spells from numerical to adding letters to make the word longer after FF 7 or 8 (dont remember which)

Fire > Fire 2 > Fire 3
Cure > Cure 2 > Cure 3

Fire > Fira > Firaga
Cure > Cura > Curaga

NExt gen Xbox should be called Xbox WS (Word Salad)

DeathKnight Jun 27, 2020 07:32 PM

New speculation that it will have an identical CPU but the GPU will be cut down (lower frequency, less CU's).

https://www.thegamepost.com/2020/06/...art-cpu-speed/

GravY Jul 1, 2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathKnight (Post 1338202031)
New speculation that it will have an identical CPU but the GPU will be cut down (lower frequency, less CU's).

https://www.thegamepost.com/2020/06/...art-cpu-speed/


GPU is looking to be 20CUs .. 24CU with 4 disabled.

Guess: 1650mhz-1825mhz 4.2-4.67tf

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status...412126720?s=19

Greasy Jul 1, 2020 07:13 PM

I'm a PC gamer, so the only console I'm going to buy is the PS5. My kids will enjoy the heck out of it. I only use those things when playing coop couch games.

GravY Jul 1, 2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greasy (Post 1338203006)
I'm a PC gamer, so the only console I'm going to buy is the PS5. My kids will enjoy the heck out of it. I only use those things when playing coop couch games.

Good to know.

Lazy8s Jul 1, 2020 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GravY (Post 1338202985)
GPU is looking to be 20CUs .. 24CU with 4 disabled.

Guess: 1650mhz-1825mhz 4.2-4.67tf

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status...412126720?s=19

One of the replies..

Quote:

Trying_goku
@Trying_gamesk
Replying to
@tomwarren
Lockhart may hold series x... Cpu needs memory ram to do npcs, ai, physics... lockhart with 7.5gb (66% 5.1gpu /2.4cpu 33%) is not enough improvement over xbox one memory. Ex: killzone demo ps4: 4.5 of 5gb total, gpu used 3/3.3 and cpu 1.5/1.6. Not that much for next gen level
If that's accurate, and I was only considering a newer Xbox just for what's not on PS...I could probably save a few dollars by grabbing a clearance Xbox 1 instead of the latest gen?

I know next to nothing about console specs/hardware lol.

GravY Jul 2, 2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazy8s (Post 1338203021)
One of the replies..



If that's accurate, and I was only considering a newer Xbox just for what's not on PS...I could probably save a few dollars by grabbing a clearance Xbox 1 instead of the latest gen?

I know next to nothing about console specs/hardware lol.

Shouldn't be an issue. RDNA2 is much more efficient and XSS is targeting 1080p-1440p resolutions. Add to that the design of the system itself coupled with the SSD and Velocity architecture and it should be just fine.

MyTMouse Jul 2, 2020 12:49 PM

From everything I've been hearing the Lockhart system will be as fast or maybe slightly faster than the One X but simply cheaper

Lazy8s Jul 2, 2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GravY (Post 1338203134)
Shouldn't be an issue. RDNA2 is much more efficient and XSS is targeting 1080p-1440p resolutions. Add to that the design of the system itself coupled with the SSD and Velocity architecture and it should be just fine.


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Originally Posted by MyTMouse (Post 1338203196)
From everything I've been hearing the Lockhart system will be as fast or maybe slightly faster than the One X but simply cheaper

Thanks guys :up:

GravY Jul 2, 2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MyTMouse (Post 1338203196)
From everything I've been hearing the Lockhart system will be as fast or maybe slightly faster than the One X but simply cheaper

And more feature rich bring RDNA2.

Lazy8s Jul 2, 2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GravY (Post 1338203211)
And more feature rich bring RDNA2.

I'll go for Lockhart if the price is right.

SubCog Jul 2, 2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazy8s (Post 1338203214)
I'll go for Lockhart if the price is right.

Me too... I know it's a mistake since i'll just end up buying the series x later, but if the price is right I just can't say no.

SubCog Jul 2, 2020 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazy8s (Post 1338203021)
One of the replies..



If that's accurate, and I was only considering a newer Xbox just for what's not on PS...I could probably save a few dollars by grabbing a clearance Xbox 1 instead of the latest gen?

I know next to nothing about console specs/hardware lol.

Lockhart will still have advantages over One X even if it doesn't have more ram. Faster SSD means data can be swapped in and out of ram as needed, rather than sitting there waiting to be used. Faster CPU will translate to better performance, faster framerates, even with less ram... Textures may look muddy though.

Lazy8s Jul 2, 2020 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubCog (Post 1338203217)
Me too... I know it's a mistake since i'll just end up buying the series x later, but if the price is right I just can't say no.

PS5 will be my go to, but there's a lot on xbox I've been missing too...so yep, one of the xboxes will be mine.

Lazy8s Jul 2, 2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SubCog (Post 1338203218)
Lockhart will still have advantages over One X even if it doesn't have more ram. Faster SSD means data can be swapped in and out of ram as needed, rather than sitting there waiting to be used. Faster CPU will translate to better performance, faster framerates, even with less ram... Textures may look muddy though.

Wouldn't that depend on the game? Good info on the rest though :up:

DeathKnight Jul 2, 2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SubCog (Post 1338203218)
textures may look muddy though.

With the new architecture and things like BCPack and SSD streaming it probably won't be an issue. RAM size won't be as much of a limiting factor when you can pull in texture assets at a ridiculously fast rate.

Of course there are still going to be lazy or less competent devs that won't take full advantage. Hopefully it will be to a lesser degree this coming gen.

SirBaron Jul 4, 2020 11:35 AM

Lower resolution means it needs less VRAM anyway, so games will have some, but mostly little difference.

People seem to forget that while the lockhart is "weaker" it's still going to be a faster than xbox one x purely because it's CPU is LEAUGES beyond the POS the ps4/xbx used.

So lockhart will play games or do things in games the last gen has zero chance of doing.

It's a smart move by Microsoft to target non 4k gamers, or those on a budget but still want to play next gen games.

HOWEVER

Their naming scheme is stupid as **** (whoever names them needs to be removed asap imo), and if they **** the name on this one up it's going to cause consumer confusion to the point where it will negatively affect sales.

GravY Jul 5, 2020 12:06 AM

The name is going to be the Series S.

S and X didn't seem to confuse anyone previously.

SirBaron Jul 5, 2020 12:43 AM

I'm sorry but the naming scheme cannot be defended lol.

You will have people saying, is this game compatible with xbox one x, or xbox series x, or xbox series s? etc

"No it's only compatible with Xbox Series X and S"

"so it's good with my xbox one x?"

"no"

etc etc

Ofcourse for those who spend all day reading gaming news, or are generally tech savvy will know this no problem. However if any parent is buying a console for their child and they have 0 interest gaming, then it becomes a pain in the ass.

Playstation 5 Simple name easy to understand, anyone with half a brain will know 5 is newer than 4.

They should have called it something else.

I don't think it's going to negatively effect sales THAT much, but the names are still dumb.

SubCog Jul 6, 2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SirBaron (Post 1338203768)
I'm sorry but the naming scheme cannot be defended lol.

I can defend it just fine, citing just one example: Nintendo Wii.

"Hey babe, wanna come over and play with my Wii?"

Yup, "Series X" works just fine. :yes:

SirBaron Jul 6, 2020 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SubCog (Post 1338204126)
I can defend it just fine, citing just one example: Nintendo Wii.

"Hey babe, wanna come over and play with my Wii?"

Yup, "Series X" works just fine. :yes:

I don’t know if she got confused and played with my Wii first then the Nintendo later, I’d say the Nintendo had the better name ;).

SubCog Jul 7, 2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SirBaron (Post 1338204172)
I don’t know if she got confused and played with my Wii first then the Nintendo later, I’d say the Nintendo had the better name ;).

Nope, she played with my wii first. You got sloppy seconds.

Chuck Jul 7, 2020 09:11 PM

So is Lockhart still less powerful than the PS5 based on rumored specs? :confused:

SubCog Jul 8, 2020 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck (Post 1338204366)
So is Lockhart still less powerful than the PS5 based on rumored specs? :confused:

Yes. PS5 is ~10TF, while Lockhart is 4.5.


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