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SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 10:04 AM

AMD CES 2021 live stream
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxTjfX9v8M0

SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 10:23 AM

-5800U is a 15w laptop monster (RIP M1)

pax Jan 12, 2021 10:46 AM

Looks like the mid range 6700xt got pushed to Q2. Emphasis is on laptops this time...

SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338260236)
Looks like the mid range 6700xt got pushed to Q2. Emphasis is on laptops this time...

Ya she teased 6000 mobile Radeon and 6700 desktop, but nothing much else.

Basically Epyc 3 and Ryzen 3 mobile and a lot of pointless interviews.

Gandalfthewhite Jan 12, 2021 11:19 AM

pointless to us as enthusiasts not pointless to the world stage and investors. Epyc and mobile are where AMD needs to start pushing to grab market share. and showing partnerships with OEMs is a big part of that.

SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite (Post 1338260253)
pointless to us as enthusiasts not pointless to the world stage and investors. Epyc and mobile are where AMD needs to start pushing to grab market share. and showing partnerships with OEMs is a big part of that.

True, it was exciting to learn about the 5000 mobile. Will be looking at one to buy.

pax Jan 12, 2021 11:32 AM

Nvidia stream right after showed the 3060 *12 gb* which makes the 3080 look stupid and the 3060ti even worse. But at least they launched something surprisingly no 3080ti...

SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338260261)
Nvidia stream right after showed the 3060 *12 gb* which makes the 3080 look stupid and the 3060ti even worse. But at least they launched something surprisingly no 3080ti...

$329 was the best part. Maybe that means we can get a 6700 for $299 or less.

Other than that, their live stream was even more boring.

Gandalfthewhite Jan 12, 2021 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperGeil (Post 1338260263)
$329 was the best part. Maybe that means we can get a 6700 for $299 or less.

Other than that, their live stream was even more boring.

more likely the 6700xt is targeting the 3060ti and if AMD is between the 3060ti and 3070 in terms of performance I would expect it to be priced in between as well. I could see a 6700 being between the 3060 and 3060 ti being priced around the 3060

Nunz Jan 12, 2021 03:34 PM

I'm still considering a laptop. I'm truly hoping we see companies like Lenovo and Dell start taking AMD seriously in the laptop market..

Nascar24 Jan 12, 2021 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338260261)
Nvidia stream right after showed the 3060 *12 gb* which makes the 3080 look stupid and the 3060ti even worse. But at least they launched something surprisingly no 3080ti...

It makes the 3060 12GB look stupid, there is absolutely no reason for that card to have that much VRAM!:lol:

Nunz Jan 12, 2021 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338260261)
Nvidia stream right after showed the 3060 *12 gb* which makes the 3080 look stupid and the 3060ti even worse. But at least they launched something surprisingly no 3080ti...

How does a 3060 with 12GB of GDDR6 make the 3080 with 10GB of GDDR6X look stupid? :hmm:

SuperGeil Jan 12, 2021 05:38 PM

I think it would be better to say it makes Nvidia look confusing. They gimped 3070 (and less extent 3080) ram size Those cards are going to need more ram than that as time goes on. But here is a mid range card with more ram than them but may never make full use of it.

Basically, they should have had more ram to begin with, especially if you are paying over 500 Mäuse.

I would not mind saying though the 3070 is pretty stupid.

pax Jan 12, 2021 10:03 PM

Ya the 3070 even worse but imo the 3060 can do some gameplay at 1440p so the added ram, tho a bit more than needed, is welcome compared to the 8 gigs on the 3070.

They could have put more than 10 gb on the 3080... Its def not a good choice.

badsykes Jan 13, 2021 12:44 AM

They benchmarked the time with every section and how borring was this keynote.So fun. :)


LordHawkwind Jan 14, 2021 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338260236)
Looks like the mid range 6700xt got pushed to Q2. Emphasis is on laptops this time...

If you look at post CES interviews both Nvidia and AMD were quoting H2 2021 before GPU supply might be able to meet demand so any thoughts of a 6950XTX are pretty much dead in the water till at least Q3/Q4 if not Q1 2022. This just pushes RDNA3 further to maybe earliest end of 2022. Just my 2c's worth.

pax Jan 14, 2021 05:03 PM

I doubt that I mean intel just signed up with TSMC for i3 cpus fabbed on 5nm end of this year with availability probably early 2022. Theres no way amd will be behind the ball that far.

LordHawkwind Jan 15, 2021 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338261042)
I doubt that I mean intel just signed up with TSMC for i3 cpus fabbed on 5nm end of this year with availability probably early 2022. Theres no way amd will be behind the ball that far.

Those are CPU's Pax AMD will be ahead of Intel at TSMC for sure for CPU's. This thread is about GPU's and they seem to be quite low on AMD's list of priorities at the moment.

bill dennison Jan 15, 2021 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338261301)
Those are CPU's Pax AMD will be ahead of Intel at TSMC for sure for CPU's. This thread is about GPU's and they seem to be quite low on AMD's list of priorities at the moment.

:lol:

do they

how long from when TSMC makes a wafer and gives it to AMD does it take to go from wafer to GPU's to cards ? :hmm:
a month or two

sure to the point of release date they were doing mostly ps5's and xbox's so it would take some time to switch over and chips to get into cards

and no Sony and M$ won't get everything .

AMD will make it's own stuff also and Sony and M$ will just have to wait

i think next month AMD cards and CPU's will start freeing up and be fair by mid March

pax Jan 16, 2021 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338261301)
Those are CPU's Pax AMD will be ahead of Intel at TSMC for sure for CPU's. This thread is about GPU's and they seem to be quite low on AMD's list of priorities at the moment.

Its all silicon man and fabbing a gpu is not that much diff than fabbing a cpu. If intel can fab 5nm this fall for its low end cpus Im sure amd will fab its high end gpus by then as they have a deeper relationship with TSMC than intel does.

Intel is just trying to use TSMC as a short term fix. Whereas AMD is a large and growing long term customer.

acroig Jan 16, 2021 07:56 AM

Pax not saying you're wrong but TSMC does not care about relationships, they want to get paid and Intel is still a big player with plenty of cash.

What we need is a competitor to TSMC, preferably in NA America. If China decides to take back Taiwan our hobby is toast.

Gandalfthewhite Jan 16, 2021 03:08 PM

EU and China are moving to develop their own fabs with a goal of being live by mid 2020s

acroig Jan 16, 2021 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite (Post 1338261505)
EU and China are moving to develop their own fabs with a goal of being live by mid 2020s

We better do the same.

LordHawkwind Jan 16, 2021 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338261413)
Its all silicon man and fabbing a gpu is not that much diff than fabbing a cpu. If intel can fab 5nm this fall for its low end cpus Im sure amd will fab its high end gpus by then as they have a deeper relationship with TSMC than intel does.

Intel is just trying to use TSMC as a short term fix. Whereas AMD is a large and growing long term customer.

This is from Caveman jim who knows more than we do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman-jim (Post 1338258775)
Longer supply chain for GPUs vs CPUs means it takes longer to ramp

See not the same.

pax Jan 16, 2021 10:11 PM

End 2022 is pushing it tho. I think caveman meant ramp once production is underway. So theres low availability at first and more later. Not that production is delayed a whole year.

LordHawkwind Jan 17, 2021 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338261571)
End 2022 is pushing it tho. I think caveman meant ramp once production is underway. So theres low availability at first and more later. Not that production is delayed a whole year.

Pax, Lisa Su has gone on record saying they are launching 6xxx GPU's through the stack. So the 6700XT, 6700, 6600XT, 6600 and even a 6500 are on the way. This is AMD's bread and butter and they aren't going to give it up. Nvidia are looking at RTX3060 and RTX3050 launches and the mid range is where the big bucks are.

RDNA3 will be a halo card launching into a market where AMD have currently 0% penetration. It's not a priority given the current supply/demand for GPU's. Same goes for Nvidia. Both companies are in in the market to make money not to please enthusiasts.

AMD have been on a two year refresh for a long time. I bought my 5700XT in August 2019 so if the 6700XT launches August 2021 (H1 2021 just) job done. That's just how big corporations work I'm afraid.

pax Jan 17, 2021 09:42 PM

0% is a bit 'much' as some latest numbers show them selling every gpu they can make.

One big european retailer showed them at ~40% vs nvidia 60%.

LordHawkwind Jan 18, 2021 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338261755)
0% is a bit 'much' as some latest numbers show them selling every gpu they can make.

One big european retailer showed them at ~40% vs nvidia 60%.

Pax I'm talking about the ENTHUSIAST segment. The market is roughly split into Enthusiast, high end, mid-range and entry level. By AMD's own admission the 6900/6800XT are their first enthusiast cards for a long time. All their market share is spread amongst the other three segments.

If you haven't produced an enthusiast card for a long time by definition your market share is 0%. This is the first time AMD have actually launched cards that can compete with Nvidia's best the 3080/3090 for well over a decade. Look how many ragers own a 6800/6900 (like 2) and how many own a 3080 or 3090? I get the supply issues and Nvidia has had a two months lead time.

Probably 99% of the enthusiast segment who have always bought Nvidia cards wouldn't switch to AMD because they've never owned one in the recent past and there are enough stories around concerning the true or untrue driver issues. AMD have a big hill to climb to get any traction in this segment which is why they've struggled with supply as they completely underestimated the demand from people who are now buying just about anything that gets produced which no one would have foreseen 12 months ago.

Trunks0 Jan 19, 2021 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338261516)
Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman-jim (Post 1338258775)
Longer supply chain for GPUs vs CPUs means it takes longer to ramp

This is from Caveman jim who knows more than we do.



See not the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338261571)
End 2022 is pushing it tho. I think caveman meant ramp once production is underway. So theres low availability at first and more later. Not that production is delayed a whole year.

I do believe Mr.Caveman was referring to the entire process to get a GPU to market. So no, it's not the same. But it also has less to do with TSMC and more to do with getting the GPU's to OEM's and everything they have to do to make a graphics card and get it to market.

pax Jan 19, 2021 12:30 PM

Found it! While this is one retailer it does show amd having a presence at the high end with the latest gpu gen at least:


https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/com...pu_sales_3585/

Quote:

Mindfactory
Total Gaming GPU Sales Week 3
Nvidia Units 2145 = 59.83%
Radeon Units 1440 = 40.17%


Radeon Top 5 Selling Brand Lines!

1) RX 6900XT = 410 Units.

2) RX 6800XT = 395 Units.

3) RX 6800 = 205 Units

4) RX 5700XT = 160 Units.

5) RX 580 = 120 Units.



Nvidia Top 5 Selling Brand Lines!

1) RTX 3070 8GB = 790 Units.

2) RTX 3060 TI = 410 Units

3) GTX 1650 = 350 Units.

4) GTX 1660 Super = 220 Units.

5) RTX 3090 24GB = 175 Units.


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