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Megaman Apr 2, 2019 07:32 PM

Navi 7nm GPUs/Ryzen 3 announcments at Computex 2019?
 
10 am May 27th. That’s 3am in the UK, or 10pm EST / 7pm PST Stateside.


Lock it in!




Quote:

AMD has announced that its CEO, Dr. Lisa Su, will give the 2019 Computex keynote address. The company is expected to unveil its next-generation of high-end products at the event, with launch dates kicking off throughout the summer. According to the Taiwan External Trade Development Council (TAITRA), the topic of Lisa Su’s keynote will be “The Next Generation of High Performance Computing.”

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14160...9-lead-keynote


AMD better deliver

pax Apr 2, 2019 11:00 PM

May 27th. They should be ready to talk some serious dirt about the new stuff buy then I hope.

Nagorak Apr 3, 2019 03:23 PM

I look forward to seeing what they can pull off with Zen 2.

Navi...a few years ago I'd be interested, but since then I've moved out of the price bracket it's targeting.

Jay20016 Apr 4, 2019 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338127310)
I look forward to seeing what they can pull off with Zen 2.

Navi...a few years ago I'd be interested, but since then I've moved out of the price bracket it's targeting.

Good thing about Navi is that the vast majority of gamers haven’t though. Halo products are nice, but they honestly just need a workhorse with good margins that is in the price range of most people.

Can’t wait to see what they’ve seemingly been hiding with their first view of only half of their “possible” chip equaling the 9900k at way less power. The Chiplets seem to be working for a Rome on EPYC so let’s hope it works for consumer stuff too.

Megaman Apr 27, 2019 07:57 AM

Navi PCB shots leaked

https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA/s...71536695824384

pax Apr 27, 2019 11:39 AM

Cool analysis of said pcb:


LordHawkwind Apr 27, 2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338131050)
Cool analysis of said pcb:


Unless it's 25% faster than my Vega 64 and only costs £400 absolutely not interested. If it is I'll buy it in a heartbeat. Oh and it has to run cooler and have a decent fan that doesn't sound like a hairdryer. Not getting my hopes up TBH. I did actually buy a Radeon VII on launch day until I read the reviews and luckily was able to cancel the order before it shipped. Won't do that again :lol:

pax Apr 27, 2019 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338131077)
Unless it's 25% faster than my Vega 64 and only costs £400 absolutely not interested. If it is I'll buy it in a heartbeat. Oh and it has to run cooler and have a decent fan that doesn't sound like a hairdryer. Not getting my hopes up TBH. I did actually buy a Radeon VII on launch day until I read the reviews and luckily was able to cancel the order before it shipped. Won't do that again :lol:

Honestly if this is the soon to come mid range Navi then I expect something between a 2070-2080 perf for the price of a 2060.

AMD needs a homerun in the gpu field and I hope this will be it.

Falck Apr 28, 2019 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338131120)
Honestly if this is the soon to come mid range Navi then I expect something between a 2070-2080 perf for the price of a 2060.

AMD needs a homerun in the gpu field and I hope this will be it.

Sooooo Navi will be a cheaper VII with lower power consumption?

I really don't understand AMD's gameplan here. With an R&D budget a fraction of it's competitor they develop two seperate GPU families alongside eachother. Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to take a "nVidia-approach" (maybe old)? Put all the money in developing a beast GPU and just downscale it for lower tiers? The way AMD act is like one family for enthusiast/high-end and another family for mid-/low-/oem-range. In my head that ties up a lot of money/resources in R&D.

Nagorak Apr 28, 2019 08:22 PM

Vega VII was just a shrunk Vega. So it didn't necessarily require a lot of resources. Originally they weren't planning to release it for gaming, but then changed their mind supposedly related to Navi being delayed.

I'd say it's not impossible that Navi is in the 2070 ballpark. 2080 seems like it's pushing it, but we'll see.

pax Apr 28, 2019 10:46 PM

Vega 7 is a prosumer part imo. Navi mainstream/midrange will be 8 gbs so half the vram so pricing it in the 350-400$ range should be doable. Dual 8 pin tells me it will have decent perf.

Megaman May 1, 2019 12:11 AM

AMD has confirmed Navi GPU launching in Q3 2019. It'll be about 1 month after Ryzen 3000.

KAC May 3, 2019 11:56 AM

So Navi will give 1080 GTX performance? 2016 performance in 2019 at 2017 prices?

acroig May 3, 2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338131815)
So Navi will give 1080 GTX performance? 2016 performance in 2019 at 2017 prices?

Aren't you happy you didn't buy a 2080Ti?

Nagorak May 3, 2019 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338131815)
So Navi will give 1080 GTX performance? 2016 performance in 2019 at 2017 prices?

It's a midrange GPU this is how it always happens. You can always buy midrange GPU performance several years earlier if you buy a high end card. :nuts:

demo May 4, 2019 11:28 PM

:/

TLDR: skip to 33min


pax May 5, 2019 12:19 AM

I think its the compute heavy side of things of GCN that keeps the chips power hungry. That or the first iteration of 7nm isnt that good... But I dont give a ****... gimme 250w and ~2080 perf at half the price and Im there.

LordHawkwind May 5, 2019 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338132048)
I think its the compute heavy side of things of GCN that keeps the chips power hungry. That or the first iteration of 7nm isnt that good... But I dont give a ****... gimme 250w and ~2080 perf at half the price and Im there.

AMD just need to be done with GCN. Possibly another power hungry POS. Looks like I'm sticking with Vega 64 for a while yet unless the 2080 drops to £450 or less.

bill dennison May 6, 2019 03:05 AM

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AMD Navi GPU Rumors: Navi 20 Based Radeon Instinct Delayed To Q1 2020, 7nm Navi Can’t Reach 7nm Vega Clocks, Alleged Radeon RX Navi Specifications
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AMD Navi 20 Missing GPU Clock Targets, Rumor Alleges – Thermals and Powers Reportedly Very Bad
https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-radeon...raphics-cards/


:(

doesn't look like I will be getting a AMD gpu anytime soon

wish NV would pull it's head out and support freesync over HDMI

acroig May 6, 2019 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338132163)
https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-radeon...raphics-cards/


:(

doesn't look like I will be getting a AMD gpu anytime soon

wish NV would pull it's head out and support freesync over HDMI

KAC gonna be sad.

aRandomRobot May 6, 2019 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338132163)
https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-radeon...raphics-cards/


:(

doesn't look like I will be getting a AMD gpu anytime soon

wish NV would pull it's head out and support freesync over HDMI

I’m very skeptical. Vega gets transitioned to 7nm from a larger process with mixed results and then another architecture also based on GCN but designed with 7nm in mind comes along and performs significantly worse? Yeah that sounds like BS to me

Nagorak May 7, 2019 05:56 AM

It could be that Navi can't hit Vega's clocks but gets more done clock for clock. Remember with Vega they tried to make GCN scale to higher clocks and it didn't really work out that well. Maybe they pulled the plug on that approach after it proved to be a bust with Vega? I think to hit higher clocks they need an entirely new architecture. And unfortunately, AMD's clock speed deficit is largely why Nvidia GPUs are currently in the lead.

I don't know what to make of the power and thermals rumors. I find it sort of hard to believe the situation could be that bad, but then again with RTG's recent track record...

LordHawkwind May 7, 2019 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338132350)
It could be that Navi can't hit Vega's clocks but gets more done clock for clock. Remember with Vega they tried to make GCN scale to higher clocks and it didn't really work out that well. Maybe they pulled the plug on that approach after it proved to be a bust with Vega? I think to hit higher clocks they need an entirely new architecture. And unfortunately, AMD's clock speed deficit is largely why Nvidia GPUs are currently in the lead.

I don't know what to make of the power and thermals rumors. I find it sort of hard to believe the situation could be that bad, but then again with RTG's recent track record...

Just look at the Radeon VII. This was a failed Instinct card that would never have seen the light of day if the Turing cards hadn't been so expensive. Remember Instinct was AMD's first 7nm card so was built for that node. To make it viable Radeon VII had to up the frequency to the detriment of power and thermals and they ended up with a hairdryer that could compete with a 2080 on performance.

I should know I ordered one on day one but was able to cancel. So I'm not surprised with the Navi rumours that it can't reach acceptable clocks at it's rated TDP. Unfortunately it's 2019 and GCN is now a bust and until they move away from it, AKA next gen, nothing will change.

Megaman May 12, 2019 03:11 AM

So has Ryzen 9 been confirmed a 16 core? I think it has....

pax May 12, 2019 12:16 PM

16 is just about as confirmed as can be. But latest from adored shows AMD has IP that is very interesting. AMD has a patent to stack HBM on a standard chip. Like the IO die. Doesnt mean first gen multi chip module will have it but it would be awesome if it did.



From about the 18min 30 sec mark.

bill dennison May 14, 2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

AMD Announces Next Horizon Gaming Event For E3 2019 – Next Generation Graphics Launch Expected
https://wccftech.com/amd-announces-n...unch-expected/

Megaman May 15, 2019 08:05 PM

Yep...AMD officially confirms Navi and Ryzen 3rd Gen will be available in Q3. I expect 3rd gen Ryzen to **** on Intel but the GPU side of things I'm not sure what to expect yet. Hopefully it catches up to the point it'll be a worth while purchase over NV.

demo May 16, 2019 05:06 AM

For gaming I'm not so sure 3rd gen Ryzen will shiit on intel. Probably on par, but I hope to be proven wrong.

GTwannabe May 16, 2019 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo (Post 1338133489)
For gaming I'm not so sure 3rd gen Ryzen will shiit on intel. Probably on par, but I hope to be proven wrong.

It will be interesting to see what kind of latency penalty AMD suffers from the chiplet design given how poorly Threadripper performs in games.

LordHawkwind May 18, 2019 02:37 PM

Isn't this supposed to be the Navi Forum?? There's a CPU forum to talk about Zen 2 :lol:


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