Rumor: "Sony has chosen the GPU for the next generation PlayStation"

Qb2k5 · Nov 20, 2009, 10:09 PM

http://fgnonline.webs.com/

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11/16/09 WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Sony has chosen the GPU for the next generation PlayStation.

We can officially reveal in this world exclusive that SCEI has officially chosen the Imagination Technologies currently in development PowerVR Series 6 architecture for it's next generation PlayStation console scheduled for 2012 worldwide deployment.

The PlayStation 4 shall use a high end variant of the Series 6 line. Performance, specifications and features are at this time unknown. The Series 6 shall receive an official announcement from IMGTEC sometime in 2010, with initial models targeting the smartphone and netbook sector.

It is believed that Sony has gained exclusive rights to the technology for the console space.

IMGTEC's PowerVR technology uses an advance technique called TBDR which can outperform a competing IMR product from nVidia/ATi by 3-5 fold whilst maintaining equal die size and price point. TBDR was the primary reason the SEGA DreamCast was capable of such astonishing graphical feats as early as 1998.

Interestingly SCEI has also chosen IMGTEC as the graphics provider for their next generation PSP. That particular product shall however be using the Series 5XT.

Mr Zachary Morris

Take this with a truck of salt.

Pr3tty F1y · Nov 20, 2009, 10:22 PM

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http://fgnonline.webs.com/

Take this with a truck of salt.

Definitely interesting. The Dreamcast was a fantastic system released at the wrong time with too many Sega screw ups behind it.

Still interesting as PowerVR has not produced any consumer grade GPU's for use in PC's recently.

Qb2k5 · Nov 20, 2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pr3tty F1y

Definitely interesting. The Dreamcast was a fantastic system released at the wrong time with too many Sega screw ups behind it.

Still interesting as PowerVR has not produced any consumer grade GPU's for use in PC's recently.

Yup definitely interesting considering they haven't been in the pc gaming segment since the mid to late 90's. I wonder how this gpu would fare against a second gen Larrabee, a Fermi2, and an Ati HD7xxx gpu.

I know this isnt official yet, but with the recent news of IBM pulling out future development with the Cell BE processor, what cpu will Sony choose in the next PS system? Im assuming a more beefier and smarter version of the current cell cpu. I think Sony will make the next one not only more efficient but correcting all the bottlenecks and complaints developers had with the original Cell BroadBand Engine.

Next gen is going to be something else. I cant wait.

SubCog · Nov 21, 2009, 12:34 AM

doods, I'm still waiting for for them to release the kyro 3!

Sound_Card · Nov 21, 2009, 12:50 AM

They don't need a product on the PC to have a part in a console.

As for Cell, I recount the dual core one with 32? SPU's is already developed. They will probably use that.

Hidavi · Nov 21, 2009, 01:17 AM

I don't think citing the DreamCast as backup for their point is a good idea...

Pr3tty F1y · Nov 21, 2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sound_Card

They don't need a product on the PC to have a part in a console.

As for Cell, I recount the dual core one with 32? SPU's is already developed. They will probably use that.

Well, yes, but it seems to be the competition between nV and ATi that keeps making them get better and better (faster). Who knows, maybe they have something just as powerful, but I would imagine it would take a lot of R&D dollars.

The_KELRaTH · Nov 21, 2009, 09:46 AM

I'm expecting another NV GPU & Dual Cell variant with seamless backwards compatibility.

Sound_Card · Nov 21, 2009, 11:04 AM

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Well, yes, but it seems to be the competition between nV and ATi that keeps making them get better and better (faster). Who knows, maybe they have something just as powerful, but I would imagine it would take a lot of R&D dollars.

I don't think graphics are going to be that much of a problem here. I imagine that powerVR part will be no less then 4x the speed of that cut down 7800GT in the PS3. Even though 4x is not that much, it's all they need. Then they have 32 SPU's over 7 in the PS3 as well.

Graphics are not going to be the focus next gen from any company. Might sound like bad news but it's not. We are going to see much emphasis on controls, price, and over all feature sets then graphics.

I also think we are at the point of diminishing returns. Going for an all out GPU is not going return you much good. I believe the generation after this one will be the last one based on rasterization.

SubCog · Nov 21, 2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The_KELRaTH

I'm expecting another NV GPU & Dual Cell variant with seamless backwards compatibility.

nah, they'll dump PS3 bc support, in order to cut costs. We won't see another $600 playstation.

Hidavi · Nov 22, 2009, 01:08 AM

Cutting BC right away would probably only save them $100. Still another 200 to go to hit the core buyer mark.

**Gandalfthewhite** · Nov 22, 2009, 04:32 AM

wait does that mean being even more of a bitch to code graphics over the xbox 360s mostly dx compatibale gfx

KickAssCop · Nov 22, 2009, 04:55 AM

Looks like Sony is on the path to make another console worthy of purchase 2-3 years after its existance (just like the PS3)...

Zetsumei · Nov 22, 2009, 06:54 AM

I really wont buy a next gen console if they cannot do native 1920x1080 with some aa :\

DivotMaker · Nov 22, 2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SubCog

nah, they'll dump PS3 bc support, in order to cut costs.

If this rumor indeed turns out to be true, you can kiss BC goodbye as this will be the 4th different GPU for the PS line of consoles....going from the current GPU to TBDR likely will not be an easy transition.

Hidavi · Nov 22, 2009, 11:37 AM

Yeah thats true. Lame.

Of course, bc will probably be phased out by the 720 too. And the Wii. They'll want to sell the ISOs on digital distro and put emulators in the firmware...

tranCendenZ · Nov 22, 2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DBT

I really wont buy a next gen console if they cannot do native 1920x1080 with some aa :\

I'd be happy with 1280x720 w/4xAA/8xAF and in 3-D.

Hidavi · Nov 22, 2009, 01:23 PM

I think for consoles, 720p has proven to be just fine. Just more AA, more AF, and higher res textures.

Dandingo · Nov 22, 2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidavi

Yeah thats true. Lame.

Of course, bc will probably be phased out by the 720 too. And the Wii. They'll want to sell the ISOs on digital distro and put emulators in the firmware...

Not exactly horrible....though if Microsoft chooses an ATI solution for the next GPU and maintains there current software dev tools bc might not be that hard for the next XBOX.

Farmer_BOB · Nov 22, 2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SubCog

doods, I'm still waiting for for them to release the kyro 3!

Good one!

I've always been a fan of Power VR. They're used mostly in handhelds these days though. The Dreamcast has proven that they can make a card for home consoles. Can't wait!

**pahncrd** · Nov 22, 2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidavi

I think for consoles, 720p has proven to be just fine. Just more AA, more AF, and higher res textures.

I really do prefer 1080p on any screen larger than 42" or so. It looks very nice in comparison to 720p.

Tisti · Nov 22, 2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidavi

I think for consoles, 720p has proven to be just fine. Just more AA, more AF, and higher res textures.

PCs priced at a little more than a PS3 are almoooost getting to 1080p with 2xAA and 16xAF gaming. If not 1080p than 720p for sure.

Just saying.

Hidavi · Nov 22, 2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dandingo

Not exactly horrible....though if Microsoft chooses an ATI solution for the next GPU and maintains there current software dev tools bc might not be that hard for the next XBOX.

It is horrible, because I enjoy going to Gamestop and grabbing up 5 and 10 dollar PS2 games to play

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Originally Posted by pahncrd

I really do prefer 1080p on any screen larger than 42" or so. It looks very nice in comparison to 720p.

Probably true. I've gamed for the past few years on a 32" set so my view is probably a bit skewed.

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Originally Posted by Tisti

PCs priced at a little more than a PS3 are almoooost getting to 1080p with 2xAA and 16xAF gaming. If not 1080p than 720p for sure.

Just saying.

I don't think there are $400 PCs that can run new games that well.

Dandingo · Nov 22, 2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidavi

It is horrible, because I enjoy going to Gamestop and grabbing up 5 and 10 dollar PS2 games to play

Probably true. I've gamed for the past few years on a 32" set so my view is probably a bit skewed.

I don't think there are $400 PCs that can run new games that well.

I highlighted a certain part of your post......I will do it again:

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Yeah thats true. Lame.

Of course, bc will probably be phased out by the 720 too. And the Wii. They'll want to sell the ISOs on digital distro and put emulators in the firmware...

The BC firmware+digitally distributed last gen titles is what I was referring too as "Not exactly horrible"

Hidavi · Nov 22, 2009, 08:06 PM

I know. But the online versions are always $15 and you cant sell them or give them away when you're done...

SubCog · Nov 23, 2009, 10:26 PM

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wait does that mean being even more of a bitch to code graphics over the xbox 360s mostly dx compatibale gfx

the powervr stuff is no extra trouble to code for.

**pahncrd** · Nov 23, 2009, 10:32 PM

Hmm, PowerVR hasn't been a serious contender in the desktop realm for a very long time. Will they have the ability to pull this off I wonder....

jimjobob · Nov 23, 2009, 10:45 PM

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Hmm, PowerVR hasn't been a serious contender in the desktop realm for a very long time. Will they have the ability to pull this off I wonder....

The chip in the DC rocked and there pc hardware at that time was very much the suck. (I bought one cause the deferred rendering on the DC rocked so much)

I cant believe that no one else has used TBDR or the like, I know some have tried simular but not to the extreme (DC only rendered what was visible and that's all, any thing behind an object or at an angle not seen was not rendered)

A2597 · Nov 24, 2009, 10:52 AM

so....why not go industry standard like xbox? Don't make developers do MORE work...duh!

SubCog · Nov 24, 2009, 03:34 PM

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so....why not go industry standard like xbox? Don't make developers do MORE work...duh!

its no extra work to code for pvr gpu's. Heck, they'll run directX or openGL, just like any other card.

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