4800-series: Flashing dots in DX10 games?

Pepsin · Jul 5, 2008, 08:53 AM

This issue was discussed in the Tech Support forum: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33926536

One poster even RMA'ed his card because it looks almost exactly like faulty video RAM.. But the replacement card produced the same artifacts. It appears to be a driver issue. So I thought it would be a good idea to mention it here, too.

Basically, you get white flashing dots on some surfaces in DX10 games/demos like Crysis and the AMD Ping-Pong DX10 demo.. They look almost exactly like the white dots in one of the screenshots at http://www.playtool.com/pages/artifacts/artifacts.html.

It's not terribly annoying, but because it produces the same kind of artifacts that faulty VRAM would, I think it's important to fix it.

Here's a screenshot from the Ping Pong demo (There's a Crysis shot in the other thread):

Skinner · Jul 5, 2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepsin

This issue was discussed in the Tech Support forum: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33926536

One poster even RMA'ed his card because it looks almost exactly like faulty video RAM.. But the replacement card produced the same artifacts. It appears to be a driver issue. So I thought it would be a good idea to mention it here, too.

Basically, you get white flashing dots on some surfaces in DX10 games/demos like Crysis and the AMD Ping-Pong DX10 demo.. They look almost exactly like the white dots in one of the screenshots at http://www.playtool.com/pages/artifacts/artifacts.html.

It's not terribly annoying, but because it produces the same kind of artifacts that faulty VRAM would, I think it's important to fix it.

Here's a screenshot from the Ping Pong demo (There's a Crysis shot in the other thread):

yes, sometimes I saw it in Crysis DX10.

Dwarden · Jul 5, 2008, 10:09 AM

this remind me on edge white dots with any X800 to x1k cards in 3Dmark 2003 shader tests (elephants) it turned out to be driver issue and ATI fixed it over time ...

Pepsin · Jul 5, 2008, 11:03 AM

This is the first driver issue I've had with my 4850. My last card was a 8800GT.

It will be interesting to see how quickly ATI responds to and fixes the issue..a good way to meassure how their drivers and support compare to Nvidia

Danny Nissan · Jul 5, 2008, 11:31 AM

It is not HD4-series specific. I have the same dots in AssassinsCreed in DX10 mode with my HD2900XT, and HardOCP review site saw the same with a HD3870X2 so i think its all DX10 cards that suffer from this bug.

Hans · Jul 5, 2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Nissan

It is not HD4-series specific.

I can confirm that. I can see those white dots in Crysis DX10 on my CF 3870 rig, too.

Funnily the white dots are limited to one building in the level Relic. It's the main building in the village with the NK command post. Entering the building via rear door and looking at the green wall ahead I can see flashing white dots. It looks like the wall is porous and the bright sunlight is shining through small holes.

nsgua · Jul 5, 2008, 04:33 PM

i have the same issue on my radeon 3870. dont' which driver had this first but i think the dots are there for the last 2 or 3 catalyst releases.

I use vista x64, gigabyte 965p-ds3, latest dx version, cat 8.6 4800 hotfix driver.

funny is, almost everything is error free... also the ruby whiteout demo... only the ping-pong demo has this silly error

Tarkin · Jul 5, 2008, 04:36 PM

same here ... getting dots with the Ping Pong Demo too

cvearl · Jul 6, 2008, 01:32 AM

I was told yesterday by a beta tester here that the driver team was aware of the issue and are working on it.

Hope it get's handled ASAP.

C.

nsgua · Jul 6, 2008, 01:53 AM

good news then

Franko123 · Jul 6, 2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

same here ... getting dots with the Ping Pong Demo too

I know this problem too...

cu

sireric · Jul 7, 2008, 12:30 PM

Hi.

Got some response on this. The Ping-pong demo is a known driver issue that will get fixed at some point. The Crysis white dots is something different, that probably should be fixed on the game side, but we'll see (we are working on something; this does happen in a few other apps and is linked to some bad math on the app side).

Pepsin · Jul 8, 2008, 05:20 AM

Well, considering Crysis is essentially abandoned by the developer and publisher, it seems unlikely that fix will arrive from them.

badsykes · Jul 8, 2008, 05:24 AM

Pepsin..your rig is very very much like mine :P
Post some results

IM_ShambleS · Jul 8, 2008, 05:41 AM

ummm.
i thought the ping pong balls ALLL had a lil dot of light on them deliberatly...
i thought it was adding more light sources with each ball.
reading here though it seems like it isnt.

crysis and assassins creed i thought were driver issues though,
Seems i had it backwards.

IbaneZ · Jul 10, 2008, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepsin

Well, considering Crysis is essentially abandoned by the developer and publisher, it seems unlikely that fix will arrive from them.

Yup, no more patches for Crysis.

Lets hope that Warhead won't have these flashing dots.

one111 · Jul 11, 2008, 06:46 AM

same problem here,with ati 3850.white dots with catalyst 8.5,8.6 and hotfix 8.6.
ping pong demo run perfect with older driver 8.4,maybe you can try this driver and see if this problem persist.

dnottis · Jul 12, 2008, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sireric

Hi.

Got some response on this. The Ping-pong demo is a known driver issue that will get fixed at some point. The Crysis white dots is something different, that probably should be fixed on the game side, but we'll see (we are working on something; this does happen in a few other apps and is linked to some bad math on the app side).

Almost certainly will not be a patch 1.3 delivered for Crysis
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Source: http://www.gamershell.com/news_51828.html

cvearl · Jul 12, 2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one111

same problem here,with ati 3850.white dots with catalyst 8.5,8.6 and hotfix 8.6.
ping pong demo run perfect with older driver 8.4,maybe you can try this driver and see if this problem persist.

Ya. Have to play in DX9 mode if you are in Vista. In XP no such problem.

C.

friskyolive · Jul 12, 2008, 10:40 AM

what about trying different AA and resolution methods? Pain in the ass, I know, though, if XP is not displaying these "dots" then, could very well be driver/OS specific..

Danny Nissan · Jul 12, 2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by friskyolive

what about trying different AA and resolution methods? Pain in the ass, I know, though, if XP is not displaying these "dots" then, could very well be driver/OS specific..

Well considering only games in DX10-mode are getting these dots, there is no reason to even discuss people with XP-systems as they cant even run games in DX10 mode

cvearl · Jul 12, 2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Nissan

Well considering only games in DX10-mode are getting these dots, there is no reason to even discuss people with XP-systems as they cant even run games in DX10 mode

COJ DX10 did not do it. Where there others?

C.

Danny Nissan · Jul 12, 2008, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvearl

COJ DX10 did not do it. Where there others?

C.

I did not notice anything in Gears of War DX10-mode either. Neither did (as far as i can tell) DevilMayCry4 have any dots in DX10-mode.

Just Crysis DX10, AssassinsCreed DX10 for me, and apperantly the pingping-demo.

AlexV · Jul 12, 2008, 03:37 PM

It depends on how a game handles shadow filtering, AFAIR.

friskyolive · Jul 12, 2008, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Nissan

Well considering only games in DX10-mode are getting these dots, there is no reason to even discuss people with XP-systems as they cant even run games in DX10 mode

Can you not run games in dx9 mode on vista?

Danny Nissan · Jul 12, 2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by friskyolive

Can you not run games in dx9 mode on vista?

Of course you can, some use diffrent .exes depending on weather you want DX9 or DX10, others needs flags such as "-DX9" to be used in target line in a shortcut for the game.

The issue, however, is that when you run some of these games in DX10, shadows have these wierd flashing dots.

kheopstr · Jul 20, 2008, 05:38 AM

hi guys i am new here i had 3870x2 one mounth ago and also had the white dots on crysis and ping pong game

i bought a new his 4870 four days ago and i have having these dots again!

any solutions yet? or any answer from the ati?

Hans · Jul 20, 2008, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sireric

Hi.

Got some response on this. The Ping-pong demo is a known driver issue that will get fixed at some point. The Crysis white dots is something different, that probably should be fixed on the game side, but we'll see (we are working on something; this does happen in a few other apps and is linked to some bad math on the app side).

Please, ATI, do something about this issue. With my CF 4870 rig the flashing white dots in Crysis DX10 are getting pretty annoying. Now they are visible in all buildings!!!

@all

Please don't give me the advice to play Crysis in DX9. The image quality of Crysis DX10 is way better than the image quality of Crysis DX9. Now that I can play Crysis smoothly with settings on VeryHigh plus 4xAA I want to play Crysis with the best image quality.

NoSaint · Jul 20, 2008, 07:11 AM

I am getting fu**ing pissed off.When new radeon came out i decided to change my old computer. Now i can play almost all game on full details on my new Radeon 4870.
When i wanted to play a best graphic game so far(Crysis) i saw those white dosts.
Fast to google and found this topic(and forum).And i'm really angry right now becausei can`t have a satisfaction in play when those errors appear.
Someone said it's only in crysis and it`s a fault of game , not drivers.
But i found this revieve
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

It's also in assassin creed.Also if you look closer there are black dots!.
Somewhere i saw also them in crysis!

And now to conclusion. I hope it will be fixed in 8.7 drivers.Even if not,it can be done in 8.8 .I can wait.But please, tell me first if this can be solved or not. If not , will ati give me my money back if i return this card to a store where i bought it.Will store comply with my request. Because i don't want to see those dots in upcoming titles(Fallout 3,Far cry 2 etc.).On nvidia geforce there aren't any dots.

PS:Sorry for my english , im not using it daily.

cvearl · Jul 20, 2008, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheopstr

hi guys i am new here i had 3870x2 one mounth ago and also had the white dots on crysis and ping pong game

i bought a new his 4870 four days ago and i have having these dots again!

any solutions yet? or any answer from the ati?

Did you not read the thread?

ATI Beta testers here have indicated that ATI is aware of the issue (which is only in Crysis in DX10 mode) and are working on a solution.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...5&postcount=12

C.

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Pepsin bananed Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 2,333	4800-series: Flashing dots in DX10 games? This issue was discussed in the Tech Support forum: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33926536 One poster even RMA'ed his card because it looks almost exactly like faulty video RAM.. But the replacement card produced the same artifacts. It appears to be a driver issue. So I thought it would be a good idea to mention it here, too. Basically, you get white flashing dots on some surfaces in DX10 games/demos like Crysis and the AMD Ping-Pong DX10 demo.. They look almost exactly like the white dots in one of the screenshots at http://www.playtool.com/pages/artifacts/artifacts.html. It's not terribly annoying, but because it produces the same kind of artifacts that faulty VRAM would, I think it's important to fix it. Here's a screenshot from the Ping Pong demo (There's a Crysis shot in the other thread): __________________ "Son, no one gives a **** about all the things your cell phone does. You didn't invent it, you just bought it. Anybody can do that."

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Jul 5, 2008, 10:09 AM	#3
Dwarden Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 2,591	this remind me on edge white dots with any X800 to x1k cards in 3Dmark 2003 shader tests (elephants) it turned out to be driver issue and ATI fixed it over time ... __________________ Ideas are like ocean without borders ! [O] I support Open Game Protocol HD 5870 1GHz / 5GHz 2048MB GGDR5, 6xDisplayPort (HDMI 1.3 & DVI-D dongles included) with SILENT cooling! cmon baby needed CCC features == online up2date Game profiles or ALL of ATT (if you fail deliver don't even try say You got technical advantage)

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:03 AM	#4
Pepsin bananed Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 2,333	This is the first driver issue I've had with my 4850. My last card was a 8800GT. It will be interesting to see how quickly ATI responds to and fixes the issue..a good way to meassure how their drivers and support compare to Nvidia __________________ "Son, no one gives a **** about all the things your cell phone does. You didn't invent it, you just bought it. Anybody can do that."

Jul 5, 2008, 11:31 AM	#5
Danny Nissan HD 4890 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,367	It is not HD4-series specific. I have the same dots in AssassinsCreed in DX10 mode with my HD2900XT, and HardOCP review site saw the same with a HD3870X2 so i think its all DX10 cards that suffer from this bug. __________________ Antec P180 \| Silverstone Strider 600W \| ASUS Crosshair III Formula \| AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz \| 2x2GB OCZ Black Edition DDR3-1600 7-7-7-24-1T \| Sapphire HD 4890 1GB \| SyncMaster 2433BW 1920X1200 \| Razer Lachesis \| Razer Sphex \| Sennheiser HD-555 \| SupremeFX X-Fi \| Samsung Spinpoint F3 \| Windows 7 Professional X64

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Jul 5, 2008, 04:33 PM	#7
nsgua Radeon HD 5770 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 328	i have the same issue on my radeon 3870. dont' which driver had this first but i think the dots are there for the last 2 or 3 catalyst releases. I use vista x64, gigabyte 965p-ds3, latest dx version, cat 8.6 4800 hotfix driver. funny is, almost everything is error free... also the ruby whiteout demo... only the ping-pong demo has this silly error __________________ Phenom II X4 965 BE ATI Radeon 5870 1GB 4GB Ram, X-fi, windows 7 x64

Jul 5, 2008, 04:36 PM	#8
Tarkin Radeon HD 5770 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salzburg Posts: 247	same here ... getting dots with the Ping Pong Demo too __________________ AMD Phenom 2 X4 965 C3 ATi Radeon HD 5870

Jul 6, 2008, 01:32 AM	#9
cvearl God uses ATI. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 6,035	I was told yesterday by a beta tester here that the driver team was aware of the issue and are working on it. Hope it get's handled ASAP. C. __________________ *Always 2 there are....* Master: Intel C2D 8400 (3.0GHz) \| 4GB PC2-6400 RAM \| ATI Radeon 4870 \| AUDIGY SOUND \| Samsung 2232GW 22" WS LCD \| Vista 32bit SP1 Apprentice: AMD A64 3200+ \| 2GB PC3200 RAM \| X1900XT 256MB \| Onboard Sound \| 19" Samsung 931c LCD What I usually play?? Flight and Racing Simulations! :) Battle of Britain II:Wings of Victory, GTR2, Race 07 and Richard Burns Rally (Best Rally SIM of all time). I only stop simming if something exceptional comes out. Playing now? With my 4870. ;)

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Jul 6, 2008, 01:53 AM	#10
nsgua Radeon HD 5770 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 328	good news then __________________ Phenom II X4 965 BE ATI Radeon 5870 1GB 4GB Ram, X-fi, windows 7 x64

Jul 7, 2008, 12:30 PM	#12
sireric ATI Guru Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA. Posts: 1,927	Hi. Got some response on this. The Ping-pong demo is a known driver issue that will get fixed at some point. The Crysis white dots is something different, that probably should be fixed on the game side, but we'll see (we are working on something; this does happen in a few other apps and is linked to some bad math on the app side). Last edited by sireric : Jul 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM.

Jul 8, 2008, 05:20 AM	#13
Pepsin bananed Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 2,333	Well, considering Crysis is essentially abandoned by the developer and publisher, it seems unlikely that fix will arrive from them. __________________ "Son, no one gives a **** about all the things your cell phone does. You didn't invent it, you just bought it. Anybody can do that."

Jul 8, 2008, 05:24 AM	#14
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Jul 11, 2008, 06:46 AM	#17
one111 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1	same problem here,with ati 3850.white dots with catalyst 8.5,8.6 and hotfix 8.6. ping pong demo run perfect with older driver 8.4,maybe you can try this driver and see if this problem persist.

Jul 12, 2008, 10:40 AM	#20
friskyolive I'm not amused... Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 7,048	what about trying different AA and resolution methods? Pain in the ass, I know, though, if XP is not displaying these "dots" then, could very well be driver/OS specific.. __________________ Medical Mafia, where Pill meets Brill.

Jul 12, 2008, 03:37 PM	#24
AlexV Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,141	It depends on how a game handles shadow filtering, AFAIR.

Jul 20, 2008, 05:38 AM	#27
kheopstr Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3	hi guys i am new here i had 3870x2 one mounth ago and also had the white dots on crysis and ping pong game i bought a new his 4870 four days ago and i have having these dots again! any solutions yet? or any answer from the ati?

Jul 20, 2008, 07:11 AM	#29
NoSaint Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	I am getting fu**ing pissed off.When new radeon came out i decided to change my old computer. Now i can play almost all game on full details on my new Radeon 4870. When i wanted to play a best graphic game so far(Crysis) i saw those white dosts. Fast to google and found this topic(and forum).And i'm really angry right now becausei can`t have a satisfaction in play when those errors appear. Someone said it's only in crysis and it`s a fault of game , not drivers. But i found this revieve http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA== It's also in assassin creed.Also if you look closer there are black dots!. Somewhere i saw also them in crysis! And now to conclusion. I hope it will be fixed in 8.7 drivers.Even if not,it can be done in 8.8 .I can wait.But please, tell me first if this can be solved or not. If not , will ati give me my money back if i return this card to a store where i bought it.Will store comply with my request. Because i don't want to see those dots in upcoming titles(Fallout 3,Far cry 2 etc.).On nvidia geforce there aren't any dots. PS:Sorry for my english , im not using it daily.

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