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Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 09:42 PM

Star Wars Vs. Star Trek
 
Who wins the ultimate space war? Remember we are talking about the two universes! All ships from the Federation, Borg, Cardassians, Republic, rebels etc will be involved!

Let me provide some pictures ;)
Imperial Star Destroyer


USS Enterprise




Let the debates begin! :cool:

P1x44r May 29, 2005 09:43 PM

Star La will pwn them all! :D

bounty_hunter May 29, 2005 09:44 PM

Oh man I can't wait to see the geekiest arguments ever :P

guest May 29, 2005 09:44 PM

Star Trek will win. They will blow up the shield generators on the Imperial ships with pinpoint accuracy making it an easy fight.

ShaidarHaran May 29, 2005 09:46 PM

As much as I love Star Wars I have to admit that Star Trek would simply walk all over SW in a space battle. ST is technologically superior to SW, and vastly so. Phasers>lasers, warp speed>lightspeed/hyperspace /end thread

Now if you were to rephrase the question to "which is more entertaining?" I'd say SW wins that one no contest. ST is relatively boring in comparison. I love ST:TNG but SW is just too cool.

Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 09:49 PM

More :Pics: to quench your thirst. Hmmm looks like the force is strong with star trek.




Skynet May 29, 2005 09:53 PM

All the drones and robotic entities in the Star Wars universe are basically retarded and they fall appart so easily. The baddies in Star Wars fall to pieces when you tap then on the shoulder.

One Borg cube would wipe out anything in the Star Wars universe without coming out of stand by. No contest.

Hamidxa May 29, 2005 09:55 PM

Yeah the Star Trek Universe is seemingly more advanced than the Star Wars one in terms of weaponry and technology.

However both are up there.

For instance, in the entire Star Wars universe you never see a "cybernetic organism" as advanced or as life-like as Data.
Then you got the holodecks, and the food replicators. Just too many cool things that ive never seen in any of the SW films.

The ST universe also has an ace up their sleeve, the 'Q' Continuum, provided that anyone in the SW universe happens to piss them off.

In terms of hand-to-hand combat, the Jedi would kick ass of course.
But overall, ST would probably win.

Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 09:59 PM

Seems like Star Wars has a size advantage, but star trek is almost 2-3 generations ahead in terms of technology.

But I dont know if they would be able to deal with an entire army of Jedi/Sith.

Twinke Masta May 29, 2005 10:00 PM


Blumenkohl May 29, 2005 10:01 PM

Q.

End of story.

:p

genci88 May 29, 2005 10:03 PM

They both are teh suck.

Hyrax May 29, 2005 10:11 PM

Andromeda :bleh:

Ambitious Loser May 29, 2005 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinke Masta

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

PoolShark May 29, 2005 10:13 PM

The Andromeda Ascendant fully armed and manned will destroy both fleets.

Hamidxa May 29, 2005 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blumenkohl
Q.

End of story.

:p


Exactly, as I also stated earlier.
Q could wipe out entire galaxies at a time if they wanted to.
This would be an unfair battle. You would almost have to take Q out of the picture to make it more even, somewhat.

Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamidxa
Exactly.
As I also stated earlier, 'Q' could wipe out entire galaxies at a time if they wanted to.

Hmm dunno whether it would be wise to involve the Q. Being the overlords of all time/space, I assume they overlap into both Star Wars/Star Trek

_leech_ May 29, 2005 10:20 PM

Star Trek was gold until Voyager came into the picture, Star Wars was awsome until Episode's I and II... the tie-breaker? Q.

Murmillo May 29, 2005 10:23 PM

I wouldn't mind owning one of those Star Wars Executor Class destroyers tho... damn that ***** is long.

Tyrion May 29, 2005 10:27 PM

I'd think Star Wars would win. It has much more in terms of numbers, and they have Jedi. Whatever weaknesses the Borg Cube has, the Jedi are sure to find and exploit it. Blasters and Phasers aren't that different, in that they'll still kill whoever they hit in one shot.

Farmer_BOB May 29, 2005 10:29 PM

IMO, I think that the Star Wars universe will win, because of the sheer number of aircraft in space. In Star Trek they have 6 big ships at one time. In Star Wars they have a few galactic spaceships and a whole bunch of Tie-Fighters etc.

Blumenkohl May 29, 2005 10:35 PM

...what's the purpose of 3,000,000 craft in space?

When Star Trek has one cloud [V'Ger] that can swallow them all up and destroy them in a split second? (The Motion Picture).

;)

Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blumenkohl
...what's the purpose of 3,000,000 craft in space?

When Star Trek has one cloud [V'Ger] that can swallow them all up and destroy them in a split second? (The Motion Picture).

;)

Can we please stick to normal "races" instead of clouds and species that exist beyond time/space :bleh:

I wonder if its possible to assimilate a Jedi! :eek:

Farmer_BOB May 29, 2005 10:44 PM

^^^Yeah. If we included the all the weirdness, you can argue that Q can take them all out.

Things like that shouldn't count. Even Pickard couldn't beat him and they were in the same universe.

Blumenkohl May 29, 2005 10:44 PM

Oh yeah, speaking of number of ships, with physical aliens...*glares at Guarav*, the Dominion should be all we need. :p

Potato Masher! May 29, 2005 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blumenkohl
Oh yeah, speaking of number of ships, with physical aliens...*glares at Guarav*, the Dominion should be all we need. :p

Quote:

The main fighting force of the Dominion are the Ikatika, a JemHadar soldier in 2373 In the Star Trek universe, the JemHadar are the shock troops of the powerful Dominion of the Gamma Quadrant. ...Jem'Hadar, genetically engineered super_soldiers who require no sleep or food, but who are kept bound to their Dominion masters by an addiction to the drug A ketracel white.
Jedi >>> JemHadar :cool:


More comparisions!!!

Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport

Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)

Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)

Sublight acceleration: 3500G

Operational range: 250,000 light-years (before refueling)

Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak

Reactor power: 200 trillion GW max

Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, the ability to travel "halfway across the galaxy" in a matter of hours as demonstrated in ANH, TPM, and AOTC requires speeds in the range of 10 million to 100 million times c).

Star Trek: Enterprise-D

Main phasers: 3.6 GW (5.1 MW per emitter, 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section). Note that phasers appear to have a chain-reaction effect so their raw power output may be deceptively low.

Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical (based on 1.5 kg antimatter payload)

Sublight acceleration: 1000G

Operational range: 2750 light-years (7 years at warp 6 before refueling)

Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peakpeak (473 GW per generator x 7 generators)

Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6 (scaled from the warp power chart on p.55 which uses units of joules for power; we assume this is a simple mistake). From the chart, their fuel supply for 7 years of warp 6 cruising would be roughly 2E23 J (enough to run an Acclamator's reactor at full power for just 1 second).

Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6), sustainable 12 hours for a single sprint of roughly 3 light-years. This appears to have increased to roughly 3000c for newer ships such as the Intrepid-class.

As you can see, the officially published figures are massively in favour of the Empire, even if you disregard the fact that an Acclamator is not a particularly powerful warship by Imperial standards (an Imperial Star Destroyer is roughly 10 times larger (by volume) than an Acclamator and presumably 10 times more powerful, even if we disregard the fact that an Acclamator is just a transport). In fact, the only way to generate a remotely close match between an Imperial ship and a Federation ship is to use a small patrol craft such as Jango Fett's Slave-1

stolen from another site http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...veMinutes.html :p


STARWAROWNED!! :eek:


PS: This is where the other Star Trek Races can come one to save Federation's ass, the Borg would probably be Star Wars greatest challenge.

JonZ May 29, 2005 11:09 PM

Borgs stand no chances.

The borg will get to the Death Star and commence their usual assimilation then will found something wrong. They will notice the deflector shield and turn away but just as they turn they'll notice a HUGE starship armada advancing toward them. Then the queen of borg will exclamate herself "IT A TRAP!"

Just as the empreror forseen it :bleh:

Heymanyo May 29, 2005 11:30 PM

OK, here comes uber-geek mode...

Star Trek would easily win for one simple reason: the main weapon in the Star Wars universe is the LASER (or TurboLASER). Even the Death Star ray was just an insanely powerful laser.

Now, most if not all ST ships are equipped with Deflector Dishes, which are used to push crap out of the way in front of a moving starship. The Deflector Dish is also able to completely bend a laser beam around a starship, as seen in some Original Series and Next Generation episodes and mentioned in many technical manuals.

Therefore, since no SW ship could damage a ST ship, the ST ships would just have to sit around, take their time, and pick off single every SW ship at their own leisure.


EDIT: A brief note on power and technology:

Star Wars ships use, at most, some sort of Fusion Technology
http://www.starwars.com/databank/sta...stroyer/?id=eu

Star Trek ships mostly use anti-matter/matter reactors.

Real life scientists theorize that, at most, a fusion reaction can be about 30% efficient (turning 30% of the starting mass into energy). Anti-matter/matter reactions, on the other hand, have the potential to be 100% efficient.

again, ST>SW

Ambitious Loser May 29, 2005 11:35 PM

I hope P-U-D-A-K sees this thread...

Heymanyo May 29, 2005 11:36 PM

Also, if you want to talk about size...

Executor = 17484m

V'Ger (Motion Picture) = 97500m
Whale Probe (The Voyage Home) = 73500m


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